20mph zones cause rise in road injuries

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/17/20mph-limit-dangerous-costly-reverse-council-admits/

Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

They can't afford to take down the signs?

Can they afford to tweet that the citizenry should feel free to take them down, for free?
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hellkat · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

The 20mph thing is shite.
Shite shite shite.

We are being held to ransom by stupid scared shitless drivers who have little or no road confidence, predominantly asian women still on P-plates who are scared of just about everything and never disobey anybody, africans who are afraid of losing their licence/being stopped and therefore found out that they are fake licences anyway, and sent back to [wherever] on the next banana boat - or minicab drivers of almost every foreign extraction, who are afraid of dinging their extremely expensive leased executive hire car and therefore tend to travel at approximately 15 mph so as to stay within the 20mph limit, and they hold EVERYBODY up.

This also causes members of the Entitled Generation to expect that they may cross the road in front of any car with no risk whatsoever. They are often appear to be incensed that they are tooted at by drivers who take umbrage at their perusal of their Instagram page whilst crossing the road.

And don't even get me started on cyclists ...

London is slowly grinding to a halt because of this triumvirate of idiocies.

The only place I have a conscience about sticking to the 20mph rule is on Tower Bridge, and that is only because she is a grand old lady who deserves respect.

We should go back to the 30mph thing immediately.
Pep things up a little round here ...
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MCN · Super Spammer Joined: 22 Jul 2015 Karma :

This look like a politically motivated half-the-facts subject.

The theory is sound.

Hitting a child at 20MPH is much much less damaging than hitting a child at 30MPH
'Ye canny change the laws of physics.'

But is people in the area are ill-informed i.e. basically fucking stupid then what can be done to prevent them from Darwinizing themselves?

As RSOPA claim, this is maybe a 'local' phenomenon and the wider use of the zones is proving that 20s are safer in other places.

"A nationwide review of 20mph limits published by the The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA) last month concluded: "A large number of evaluation studies have demonstrated a link between the introduction of 20mph zones and a subsequent reduction in casualties. The size of the reductions and the consistency of results over a wide number of areas are further evidence for this link.""

Anyone who complains that 20s in areas where vulnerable children are should re-think their own values.
Spelled out I think driving slower in these areas is much easier than killing a child.

There are places where 'excess' speed harms no one (so long as no one over-cooks it.) and there are places where excess speed becomes very anti-social.

Even the 20s can be made hazardous by fucktard 'engineers' who do not understand guidelines for design and use of traffic calming measures. Speed Bumps/Humps/Cushions must be situated correctly and made of suitable material so that 'all' road users can negotiate the hazard safely.
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He means 5-0.
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stevo as b4 · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :

I see some reasons as to why a 20mph might end up having the effect of being less safe than a 30 zone in built up areas.

But I'd argue that it's re-graded 50mph rural main road routes that are far more dangerous IMO. If such roads were 70mph then it would promote better driving, better planning and reading of the road etc.