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MinhDinh
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that doing 30 MPH means people tend to wait and respect that I will hurt them if they try to cross the road right in front of me. At 20 MPH people seem to think it's OK because they feel in less danger...

I am happy to have 20 MPH in front of schools but on main roads, why?
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
I find that doing 30 MPH means people tend to wait and respect that I will hurt them if they try to cross the road right in front of me. At 20 MPH people seem to think it's OK because they feel in less danger...

I am happy to have 20 MPH in front of schools but on main roads, why?


Yeah - pretty much this.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
I find that doing 30 MPH means people tend to wait and respect that I will hurt them if they try to cross the road right in front of me. At 20 MPH people seem to think it's OK because they feel in less danger...

I am happy to have 20 MPH in front of schools but on main roads, why?


Here in lies the problem.

Citizens who posses the where-with-all to make those 'logical' judgements will survive those conditions.

Young children and idiots will not fair so well.

It is sort of the same reason speed limits and highway code braking distances never change when technology is so much more advanced now than when limits were set.
There are still 'un-advanced' vehicles using public roads so rules cater for all.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
I find that doing 30 MPH means people tend to wait and respect that I will hurt them if they try to cross the road right in front of me. At 20 MPH people seem to think it's OK because they feel in less danger...

I am happy to have 20 MPH in front of schools but on main roads, why?


That's what I meant when I was bitching about the "Entitled Generation" : people who think its okay to walk straight out, because they do not perceive me in my car/opn my bike as likely to be a danger to them, due to the slow movement being enforced upon the traffic.

We need to return to 30mph to remind these dick-heads that they should be more aware of their surroundings, to take personal responsibility for their own safety.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

People, we must never forget that the man used the roadway before the horse did.

We have no jaywalking rule in UK therefore Joe Pedestrian (and Willie Cyclist to a degree) are ultimately protected in law.

So it is rarely the pedestrian's fault really. If we are to be honest citizens.

Too many folk in a hurry.

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools only have the children on the outside twice per day, at which times all roads in the area are doubled parked anyway, so it's not wise to approach. At all other times, there's no reason for it.

If they brought back the road hedgehogs, this could have all been avoided. Stop, look, listen, live.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:53 - 19 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

20mph zones are a bit like saying let's tie bean bags all around our vehicles to make them into soft play areas instead of moving machines that need to be respected and avoided.

Off topic now just for tradition, but it's like these people you see driving and riding at 20mph in the snow and ice on open main roads away from built up areas. They reason that it's slow enough to be safe and avoid accidents etc.

All it does is piss off a long queue of once patient road users following behind.

On an open road or rural route in snow or ice, how do you know how much grip you have got, how quickly you can steer or corner, or accelerate or brake?

You only find out the limits by exceeding them, and then using the feedback loop to drive within that limit. If you don't find the limit then your just teetering about hoping for the best. Im sure the machines and computers that will be doing all the driving soon, won't rely on such flawed human logic of what's probably safe maybe?
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
People, we must never forget that the man used the roadway before the horse did.

We have no jaywalking rule in UK therefore Joe Pedestrian (and Willie Cyclist to a degree) are ultimately protected in law.

So it is rarely the pedestrian's fault really. If we are to be honest citizens.

Too many folk in a hurry.

Laughing

Yeah yeah.
But when that pedestrian is reading his phone - which definitely did NOT come before the pedestrian OR the horse - and does not see you coming toward him (or her) (it) (they) (cis) (whatfucking ever) or hear your car indicating because they are listening to the 20 Greatest Hits of Marilyn and the Micturitionists, then that's their fuckin problem.

Tooting is not just a suburb of South London.
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/Qhq8AcnukZE

It fits on a bike too.

For dopey bastirts. Very Happy

"Rule 112
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

while stationary on the road
when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger.
Law CUR reg 99"
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

"Rule 112

You MUST NOT use your horn ...

except when another road user poses a danger.
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Which is about 75% of the pedestrian population of London.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I never got what was so bad about using your horn when stationary. It's not that rare for someone to reverse too far, and start backing into you while you're either parked or else stationary waiting to go. The wording of the Highway Code seems to be saying you must use your horn only to warn people of your presence - unless your stationary in which case you must resort to shouting and wild gesticulations.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Also, I never got what was so bad about using your horn when stationary. It's not that rare for someone to reverse too far, and start backing into you while you're either parked or else stationary waiting to go. The wording of the Highway Code seems to be saying you must use your horn only to warn people of your presence - unless your stationary in which case you must resort to shouting and wild gesticulations.

And those who sit at green lights, I sometimes get a wave back Middle Finger Laughing

Most people are too polite and just sit there like mongs, I don't have time for that shit.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Also, I never got what was so bad about using your horn when stationary. It's not that rare for someone to reverse too far, and start backing into you while you're either parked or else stationary waiting to go. The wording of the Highway Code seems to be saying you must use your horn only to warn people of your presence - unless your stationary in which case you must resort to shouting and wild gesticulations.

And those who sit at green lights, I sometimes get a wave back Middle Finger Laughing

Most people are too polite and just sit there like mongs, I don't have time for that shit.


In Turd World and 'developing' Cuntries if you do not move off when the red light changes you get beeped by the arsehole/s behind. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
In Turd World and 'developing' Cuntries if you do not move off when the red light changes you get beeped by the arsehole/s behind. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 22:38 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
MCN wrote:
In Turd World and 'developing' Cuntries if you do not move off when the red light changes you get beeped by the arsehole/s behind. Rolling Eyes

New York Minute.


I'd be 'out the car' to the bastirt in less than a New York Minute. Mad
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 20 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My tactic for traffic light beepers is I get out of the car/van looking bemused and start examining the rear of the vehicle
because the person (still Twisted Evil) stuck behind me has alerted me to a possible defect. Well that's how I play it anyway,
scratching my head, with my back to the deekheed, something like this Laughing
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I try and keep up my charade until the lights change, shrug and get back in the car with a thank you wave to the person
behind. If you can believably ham it up a bit, this can get Mr Beepy impatient absolutely incandescent with rage.
"Sorry mate I thought you were telling me there was something wrong with my car, I've only been driving for a few weeks" Laughing Laughing Laughing

Give it a try. For the lulz. :
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 21 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do people really get that butthurt about being told it's green and it's time to stop texting? Eh? The only thing you should be doing at lights is waiting for them to go green...
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M.C wrote:
Do people really get that butthurt about being told it's green and it's time to stop texting? Eh? The only thing you should be doing at lights is waiting for them to go green...


People get butthurt when someone on a bike passes them in a queue of traffic.
Then people on bikes get butthurt and say that they, "Hoofed the cnuts door mirror off as they passed." Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 21 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

"In the 1990s, the United Kingdom dropped its road fatalities by 34 percent. The United States managed a 6.5 percent reduction. Why the difference? Better air bags, safer cars? It was mostly speed, one study concluded (although U.S. drivers also rack up many more miles each year). While the United Kingdom was introducing speed cameras, the United States was resisting cameras and raising speed limits. Had the United States pulled off what the United Kingdom did, it is suggested, 10,000 fewer people would have been killed."

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PostPosted: 14:18 - 21 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
In Turd World and 'developing' Cuntries if you do not move off when the red light changes you get beeped by the arsehole/s behind.

Maybe I do that ... sometimes ... maybe Thinking

Laughing


But I only do it when some other arsehole has cut me up/quite CLEARLY refused to let me merge ...
I can't wait for that moment of schadenfreude when they are in front of me at a red light, and I sit on the horn.

Nobody's got out to me yet.
(I always expect them to leap out of the car and attempt to engage in fisticuffs)

But I feel sure it might happen sooner rather than later.
Fuck it.
Fuck 'em.

It's usually just some poncy-suited over-hormonal herbert with a distinguishably Balkan profile Rolling Eyes

I don't usually do it when I have a passenger, though (obvs).
Only when I'm on me own.

Must be awful to be so stressed that you suddenly end up going all David Banner, causing you to return to being a drooling neanderthal goat-herder right in the middle of a traffic jam in one of the world's largest and most cosmopolitan metropolis. Dead embarrassing, I expect.
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 21 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can cope with aggressive twat drivers or riders. But I can't put up with erratic driving so well. I've followed other road users on a free moving A-road who cannot concentrate enough on driving to maintain a constant speed or stay within a lane. And they only know how to play tennis with the throttle and brakes.

Sat nav users are the other real cunts on the road though. Miss a turn? Yeah sure just jam on the brakes and swerve off the road with no warning, because the arrow says you should?
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 21 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I can cope with aggressive twat drivers or riders. But I can't put up with erratic driving so well. I've followed other road users on a free moving A-road who cannot concentrate enough on driving to maintain a constant speed or stay within a lane. And they only know how to play tennis with the throttle and brakes.

Sat nav users are the other real cunts on the road though. Miss a turn? Yeah sure just jam on the brakes and swerve off the road with no warning, because the arrow says you should?


Sum sat nav users...

I jam the brakes on and swerve long after the arrows have told me to. Razz
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 22 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

Off topic now just for tradition, but it's like these people you see driving and riding at 20mph in the snow and ice on open main roads away from built up areas. They reason that it's slow enough to be safe and avoid accidents etc.

All it does is piss off a long queue of once patient road users following behind.

On an open road or rural route in snow or ice, how do you know how much grip you have got, how quickly you can steer or corner, or accelerate or brake?

You only find out the limits by exceeding them, and then using the feedback loop to drive within that limit. If you don't find the limit then your just teetering about hoping for the best. Im sure the machines and computers that will be doing all the driving soon, won't rely on such flawed human logic of what's probably safe maybe?


Ever think maybe they found the limit and just avoided crashing Rolling Eyes

Limits are variable. You can go from sheet ice to a nice grippy surface in inches.....

Some people are better at handling slippy conditions.

Bit like the youth that thinks 60 is a 30 is safe as he can handle it.... Till he wipes out a family as he lost control Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 23 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green Cross Code.
Cycling Proficiency.
Beat Coppers.
Common Sense.
General Alertness / Awareness.

Remember them?

20mph zones - utter fuckwittery. All it does is encourage darwinism in proles and makes drivers more likely to pull stupid moves out of frustration.
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