|
Author |
Message |
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Howling Terror |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Howling Terror Super Spammer
Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Karma :
|
Posted: 15:05 - 23 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
Hi,
Yes and no.
You ride a pushbike? You confident on it?
You got money to splurge? Go for it you could be riding a Dusaki by the end of week.
If at the time I did have the money to 'gamble' on a week course I wouldn't have. In fact I did the opposite in part due to being tres skint but mainly because I really needed to clock up the confidence miles.
I self taught and passed after riding 125s for almost 4 years.
Said it before but there is a slim chance you may not even like it. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
Singer songwriter, Artist and allround good bloke Listen to Andrew Susan Johnston here
The Harry Turner Project |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
pinkyfloyd |
This post is not being displayed .
|
pinkyfloyd Super Spammer
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
M.C |
This post is not being displayed .
|
M.C Super Spammer
Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
M.C |
This post is not being displayed .
|
M.C Super Spammer
Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
pinkyfloyd |
This post is not being displayed .
|
pinkyfloyd Super Spammer
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
arry |
This post is not being displayed .
|
arry Super Spammer
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :
|
Posted: 17:58 - 23 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
Also, don't be discouraged if you take more than 1 day to complete the CBT. It's training, not a test, and it's not a 1 day course, it's as long as you need to reach a minimal standard of competence.
Sammy Seventeen can blaze through it in a day because he's made of energy and over-optimism. You might need longer to assimilate it.
When you are done, see if you can blag a quick go on a 600cc+ training bike. It might save you from wasting time and money on a tiddler. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
stevo as b4 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
stevo as b4 World Chat Champion
Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Karma :
|
Posted: 18:49 - 23 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
I'd also have a good think about what you want a bike for, and what sort of use you might have planned in mind for one?
Most will say this don't matter, as you'll follow the try a bike- get hooked- pass tests- want to ride as much as possible for fun and a hobby- try out lots of different bikes- work up to a big bore superbike etc.
While I'm sure this does still happen for some, and bikes become a huge hobby and interest, it's not like it used to be out there.
Roads are busier, and in a worse state sometimes. People are still careful with throwing money at toys in the current climate, and riding habits and interests have changed generally. Also the bikes are much more samey, and there's less of a mass bike scene in some cases.
If starting out today, I'd want a good reason in my head why I needed or really wanted a bike in 2017. The big groups of mates having a Sunday blast thing is done for me, and if I had a bike and a day off I'd have to think if I wanted to spend £20 on fuel for a breakfast in a Welsh cafe, and then ride home to clean the bike. |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
kerr |
This post is not being displayed .
|
kerr World Chat Champion
Joined: 08 May 2011 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Wheezybiker |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Wheezybiker Nitrous Nuisance
Joined: 19 Jun 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
biker7 |
This post is not being displayed .
|
biker7 Crazy Courier
Joined: 15 Feb 2012 Karma :
|
Posted: 20:12 - 23 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
No one has really told you how great biking is! Fly past cars in a city jam. Wind in your face, seat of your pants thrill on the open road - better than cars by a long way for not a lot of dosh. Bike fits into a small space at home. Mates think you are are hero. Women swoon! Go to a bike shop and sit on them all and tell me you are not excited. I rode small bikes for years, passing my test at 21...ok nothing I rode was really exciting. Then I retired at 60 and got the big bike bug. Now pushing 70 I ride one of the fastest and love it. If you spend your last days regretting not doing things in life.....being a biker will be near the top of the list. Go for it mate, anyway you feel comfortable. Pick the bike you want to end up on as your dream machine, as the driving force and everything else will click into place, even if it takes a month or two. They say only bikers know why dogs like to ride with their head out of the car window. Even a 600cc motorcycle can accelerate as fast as a Ferrari. Even a modest V-Strom will do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds (I've had two and they are brilliant all rounders)
New Year's Resolution for you mate - I will be a full blown biker by Spring '18.
Let us know how you get on!
____________________ Swansea area
Fat Bob (2019) |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
almostthere |
This post is not being displayed .
|
almostthere Traffic Copper
Joined: 28 Oct 2013 Karma :
|
Posted: 20:45 - 23 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
get your full licence then go for something fun like an Aprilia tuono or if you want something sporty get an rsv4 these bikes are quite docile so you'll need to rag the fuck out of them for maimum fun ____________________ Beer, It's the reason I get up every afternoon |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
vp1977uk |
This post is not being displayed .
|
vp1977uk Derestricted Danger
Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Teflon-Mike |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Teflon-Mike tl;dr
Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :
|
Posted: 14:45 - 24 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
vp1977uk wrote: | Normally id buy a 125cc to practice on |
I'm a bit boggled how you could 'normally' do something you have never done before?
vp1977uk wrote: | Guess am trying to just get onto a 650cc as quick as possible at the lowest price for training etc. |
RUSHING BE FAST WAY TO HURT ON A MOTORBIKE!
You're 40 years old... you have been eligible to get a bike licence for almost quarter of a century!!!! WHY all of a sudden are you impatient to get a big bike?
You have waited THIS long, what's a few more weeks, months or even years?
The enthusiasm you seem to have, is, right now probably your greatest danger; you will get frustrated by training, because t 'seems' you are being taught to suck eggs; you will, I suspect be even more frustrated because you will presume to know so much already as a car driver, and that enthusiasm and that 'rush' to get going, you WILL miss big chunks of what any-one tries to teach you.
There is a LOT to learn, just on CBT which is the first lesson, and so many just don't, especially if they turn up expecting to do it all in a hurry, eager to get onto the next bit, and get out on the road NOT nail the exercise on hand.
And you get what you pay for... buy cheap, buy twice... but f you are too eager and too exted, and start muffing 'cheap' CBT's they ca start to get very expensve, very quick.
Its not about 'cheap' ts about value for money, and that, you wll mostly make yourself. Pointless paying anything for a days wrth of expert instruction, if you don't listen, or wast half the day argung over what you are told!!!
CHILL... take your time; do your research, and buy 'value'.
Of what you might practically do right now; find on-lie theory/hazard test practice sites, do some practice. You dont need a bike to do it, but, it IS probably the biggest hurdle for most new riders, and an even bigger one for more mature ones....
To get a motorcycle licence now, you have to take and pass the motorcycle Theory/Hazard test, even if you dd on, its not the same as for a car.. it just has to be done.
Designed for teenagers of the play-station generation, the Theory test, is a far cry from the old high-way-code questions of old... there's a shed load of enviro-mental questions, and first aid type stuff in it;
When my O/H was doing her practice for it, I was listening to the questions coming out of her lap-top and actually told her to get OFF 'Face-Book-Hospital' and do her motorbike test practice, and she was indignant showing me she was! BUT that's how much non motoring sort of stuff s on there now.
Once upon a time,most of the HWC questions asked by an examiner, or in the first theory test were usually 'common sense', if not common knowledge, and there were only a few, you know what the book says or you don't questions; now, I think its the other way about.
Meanwhile the Hazard-Perception test, is a computer game! It really doesn't favor folk who have actually been identifying road hazards for umpety odd years, and have normalized reacting to them. I actually watched an entire tests worth of clips, and was thinking 'Yeah! WHERE is the hazard in THAT!?!?" Its the sort of stuff, as a driver for thirty years I just 'deal with'.. and then there's the mouse click thing! Hit it too soon.. which as existing driver you are want to, it don't count.... keep clicking, as the hazard develops, you get penalsed for over-clicking!
17 year-olds... raised on a play-station, and politically indoctrinated at high-school; can ace it. They are used to learning by rote, rather than thinking, and they are used to winning computer games doing what the programmers expect.... us Oldies CANT WIN.
So, practice, practice, practice... A-N-D... then go do the test.... its indoors so warm and dry, this tie of year.. and IF you want to go onto traning ad tests, its pretty much a pre-requiste... you have to have passed Theory/Hax before you can book a Mod 1 practical test, and most schools, wont accept you for a DAS course unless you already have Theory/Haz, so you have a clear-run, and they can bang you on an available practical test, and not have to send you home and possibly wait months still you come back with the cert.
You don't need it before dong CBT.... BUT, if you are so full of enthusiasm, its something you CAN do that IS worth-while, and will get you some-where, that window-shopping bikes, or talking to us on forum wont.
Also better to get frustrated, despondent, and give up, after only £30's outlay on that, than to have done £150's worth of CBT firing enthusiasm more, or worse, paid £1000's for a complete DAS course and likely shelled out a load in your excitement on 'gear'... and? Well, that hurdle cleared all else aught be relative plain sailing.
Next up... Bike be last thing you NED worry about. Cant ride anything until you have a licence, and in between, riding gear, security and stuff, is all needed before the actual bike..... remember, DON'T RUSH!
Quick thought on costs and 650's, and 'cheap' training.... BIKES come and go. If you dont get o with one you can trade it in. If you don't like the colour, you can buy another.
TRAINING IS FOR LIFE...
Its the know-how of how NOT to crash. It saves your hide every time you ride! Gets better with use, doesn't need any maintenance; doesn't put your insurance up, and helps you get further, faster, safer, ad have MORE fun.
A good crash hat costs maybe £300.. and is good for ONE crash You crash... its junk! Throw t away, buy another! And start paying for all the other damage, like fairings ad handlebars and stuff... after the road-rash has healed ad the bandages come off....
NOW how long may you deliberate the sharpe ratings and accessory catalogues tryng to find a helmet, and how much attension will you pay to the colour scheme and whether it matches your jacket ad your bike?
But ALL you want from a training school is CHEAP?
I think that may be a bit backwards.... resarch your trainng, pay for your tranng, get the MOST from your traning..... learn how NOT to crash, how to avoid havig to chuck away crash hats or repair farngs, or unwrap road-rash patches!
Training is. compared to the price of your riding outfit, let alone your bike, likely SMALL POTATOES... very small potatoes, and as said; gets better more you use it, never looses its value, cant be stolen, and does more to save crashed no crashhat ever will....
NOW re-assess how much i cold hard £££££ GOOD training is worth, compared to a crash-hat, that even if you don't crash has around a 3-year service life!
Biking is expensive, and the bigger the bike, so the more expensive it is! If the project is cost critcal, don't set your sites on a 650 big bike! Compared to cars the running costs can be high, and ot proportional to either the cost of the machine, or the mpg the book says they should return. Biggest kicker for many, is the surprise of how much they cost to maintain, and how short lived and how expensive things like tyres are.
If you have to penny-pich on the cost of courses to get a licence, then these sort of costs are gong to come as a shock, and or cripple you!
But STILL, value for money.. good tyres save accidents, and £200 wrth or rubber, every 3000 miles adds up to a heck of a lot more than the prce of a training course, very quickly... like the crash hat, whats 'best' value for money?
DO NOT cheap-skate on your training, Value it! Its supposed to ave life, not just win licences.
So:-
- Don't Rush.
- Kurb the Enthusiasm a bit
- Start wth the Theory/Hazard practice, and then test.
- Research schools, book a CBT.....
- DON'T sweat the small stuff, like "What-Bike" until you are even close to that being important.
Take it one step at a time, DONT RUSH ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :
|
Posted: 14:53 - 24 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
|
|
Of course, Mike does make a good argument for why you should avoid training schools as much as possible. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
M.C |
This post is not being displayed .
|
M.C Super Spammer
Joined: 29 Sep 2015 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Bozzy. |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Bozzy. Scooby Slapper
Joined: 07 Aug 2017 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Rogerborg |
This post is not being displayed .
|
Rogerborg nimbA
Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
recman |
This post is not being displayed .
|
recman World Chat Champion
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Karma :
|
|
Back to top |
|
You must be logged in to rate posts |
|
|
Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 86 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
|
|
|