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PostPosted: 14:38 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Drills Reply with quote

Morning all,

Whilst I'm quite happy ripping a bike apart and putting it back together my DIY around the home experience is limited. Having just bought a house for the first time there's plenty work I'm planning to do this year so I'm beginning to acquire some new kit. Most pressing is a drill.

Any suggestions as to which brands are best to look at and any specific features worth having? I'd rather spend the money and get something decent right off the bat as it'll likely see a lot of use this coming year. There's tons on the market but I don't really know what I'm looking for. Hoping I might get something in the sales.

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PostPosted: 14:45 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordless hand drill?
Corded SDS hammer drill?
Bench mounted pillar drill?

Give us a clue of what you'll be wanting to use it for.

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PostPosted: 15:00 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most branded battery drills you'll get off the shelf in B&Q will be fine for typical DIY stuff.

I have DeWalt at home, and use Makita and Bosch (blue/pro) at work. I'd probably choose Makita for myself but I got the DeWalt as a gift and in practice all three do the same job just about as well as each other.

You'd need an SDS for heavy masonry stuff, but a normal battery drill with hammer function will cope with sticking a rawl plug into brick or breeze block.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 3 battery drills, 1 corded drill and an SDS monster.

99% of the time I use battery drill, it's just so convenient. I have a Bosch, a Makita and some no brand I was bought.

If you get a battery drill, get a name brand with 2 batteries. Buying batteries later is expensive. Oh yes, make sure it is hammer as well.

The Bosch I have is this one which is part of an interchangable system. It has served me well for a couple of years now.

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PostPosted: 15:22 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy a Ryobi One+ drill, you obviously buy the drill, a battery and a charger. However if you then need, say, a hedge trimmer or a planer, you only buy the bare tool as the same battery fits everything.

Over the years I've accumulated 14 or 15 tools and have 5 batteries and 2 chargers. Everything works as it should and there's nothing I haven't been able to do. However, its no cheaper initially, the savings come later.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a Bunnings store locally, they do a DIY system like Ryobi but a lot cheaper called Ozito. It's actually interchangeable with the Einhell power x system as well.

I've used some of their gear and it's OK. Battery angle grinder is a bit weak (but usable) but then with something like that you really need corded.

https://ozito-diy.co.uk/community/cordless-power-tools/

It'll do the job but I'd personally prefer Makita or Bosch.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've killed two black and decker drills in the last 5 years renovating my house.

I currently have a Powerzone (Aldi) SDS drill which is a heavy bit of kit but £50, when this dies it'll be replaced by a more compact but equally competent SDS drill

I've also got a cordless impact driver I bought from B&Q which gets used for most drilling that doesn't require hammer mode.

Between the two of them they get most jobs done, as such I'd recommend a decent quality SDS but not fussed if cordless or not + an impact driver that is cordless, don't scrimp on drill bits though.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

If you get a battery drill, get a name brand with 2 batteries. Buying batteries later is expensive. Oh yes, make sure it is hammer as well.


Pretty much that for general house DIY stuff, except I'd add to have LiIon rather than NiMH batteries, though most name brand have that sorted now. There are few things more annoying than having to stop work waiting for a battery to charge. A good battery drill will do 90% of the stuff you are likely to need to do, including assembling furniture as a power driver.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Cordless hand drill?
Corded SDS hammer drill?
Bench mounted pillar drill?

Give us a clue of what you'll be wanting to use it for.

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Just a range of general interior renovation tasks, probably nothing too heavy duty (not builiding any extensions or anything) so I don't think SDS will be necessary. Happy to be persuaded otherwise though. I have very little experience working on houses but there's only one way to learn.

Cheers for advice so far.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy cheap, buy twice.

Get a decent cordless hammer drill with two batteries. If you want to splash out a little bit more, get a combo drill and driver set with three batteries - the driver is so much better for putting screws in. I'd get one in a case too.

Something like Makita or Bosch (blue, not green).
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never use a drill you're going to drill metal with in hammer mode.

If you're going to be drilling into masonry a lot, a cheapo, mains-powered SDS drill is worth having. Even for making holes for rowlplugs etc
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys with the cordless drills, you keep your batteries charged all the time, right?

In my "power tools" drawer I have a Black and Decker corded twist/hammer drill that I bought long about 25 years ago. The chuck got replaced with a keyless one a few years back when I finally wore the teeth off of it, but otherwise it's as it came out of the factory, a quarter of a century ago.

Extension cords are cheap, and mains power is always ready to go.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You guys with the cordless drills, you keep your batteries charged all the time, right?

All but the one currently in use, yes absolutely. Mine came with three batteries; and being an anally retentive sort I labelled them A, B and C. I use battery A until it's exhausted, then swap it for 'B' and at the same time bung 'A' on charge. If necessary, next up will be 'C', obvs, whether it's during the same session or the next time I get the drill out. Using them in strict rotation means all the batteries get used equally, and don't get a chance to lose charge during storage due to lack of use.

I can honestly say that personally I've never had a problem with lack of battery availability during a job (I accept that it's not an impossibility though). My old B&D (vintage 1986, and still on its original chuck) lives in my bottom drawer in the workshop, and I'm struggling to remember last time I got it out. Honestly, the cordless one is so much more convenient in every way; I'd never go back now.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
You guys with the cordless drills, you keep your batteries charged all the time, right?

All but the one currently in use, yes absolutely. Mine came with three batteries; and being an anally retentive sort I labelled them A, B and C. I use battery A until it's exhausted, then swap it for 'B' and at the same time bung 'A' on charge. If necessary, next up will be 'C', obvs, whether it's during the same session or the next time I get the drill out. Using them in strict rotation means all the batteries get used equally, and don't get a chance to lose charge during storage due to lack of use.

I can honestly say that personally I've never had a problem with lack of battery availability during a job (I accept that it's not an impossibility though). My old B&D (vintage 1986, and still on its original chuck) lives in my bottom drawer in the workshop, and I'm struggling to remember last time I got it out. Honestly, the cordless one is so much more convenient in every way; I'd never go back now.


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PostPosted: 22:19 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd feel a lot more fucking confident to do general house hold diy, plumbing and electrics than do serious or specialised work on bikes if I didn't know what I was doing personally.

I'd also never come on a forum and say I'm crap at diy or don't know what I'm doing personally too.

I'd really like to fit my new boiler myself if I could have tested it, certified it and not invalidated the guarantee. Its not because I know that much about boiler installations, but I'm just a miserable/stubborn fucker that doesn't want any tradesmen in my house if I can help it.
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 26 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Never use a drill you're going to drill metal with in hammer mode.


You mean ever, or while drilling into metal?
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are ever going to make fixings into masonry,concrete or stone EVER.
get something sds. mains 110v or battery it dosnt matter .
even if most of your drilling is wood/metal get sds just for that one time you need to drill stone.
you can get chuck to fit normal twist drill bits to sds stuff.
at work i use a makita 14v cordless sds for light work,drilling through houses and fixing things to brickwork.(i use it a a screwdriver aswell)
i have a bosch 24v sds hammer that in addition do doing all my heavyer drilling needs will also take a chisel bit.
if you want to do precision drilling on metalwork then its either a pillar drill of get it in a lathe.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best drills I've used have been Makita. They're also the ones you'll see most tradesmen use followed by DeWalt and Bosch
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a B&Q brand SDS which is a beast for holes in masonry.

A Cordless bullshit (batteries don't hold charge now)

Some other b&q corded drill hammer action but the variable speed control never worked.

Battery maintenance is the reason I don't go all cordless.
If not used regularly then the battery may be dead when you need it and they Go bad after a short time.

Maybe there is a website who review this shit better.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordless drills are great, however as the Borg and MCN say, I'd never be without a mains powered drill.
There will be a time you'll need a drill and you can't find a charged battery, guaranteed.
Same as Rog, I suspect I've got the same non SDS B&D drill, had it for 25 years plus, I'm in my 6th property, it still works, it's never let me down. It's been seriously abused in that time, it regularly gets clamped in a vice and is used in place of a bench grinder etc.
I've just used this drill to move an outside tap using a 20mm masonry bit, it did it effortlessly.

One specific tip, if your planing on drilling through masonry, buy a small diameter masonry bit, (4mm), and use it to drill a pilot holes, masonry bits love to wander!
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

AvE on YouTube does quite funny strip down and testing videos of most power tools if you're after more in depth reviews.

But really for general home DIY stuff they'll all hack it. It'd be different if you were buying kit to become a tradesman or were building your own place or doing major renovation or something, but my work drills get more use in a week than my home drill gets in a year!

I agree with keeping a mains drill around the place, I bought a 90's second hand Makita for less than a tenner that sits in the loft for that reason.
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:


You mean ever, or while drilling into metal?


Ever. Doesn't take long for the chuck to get even slopier on the bearings than they come as standard then it'll just snap fine drill bits if you try to drill into metal with them.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers all, plenty good advice here.

stevo as b4 wrote:
I'd feel a lot more fucking confident to do general house hold diy, plumbing and electrics than do serious or specialised work on bikes if I didn't know what I was doing personally.

I'd also never come on a forum and say I'm crap at diy or don't know what I'm doing personally too.


I'm happy working on bikes because I've got plenty experience of doing so for the last few years, and have nearly completed my second total strip and rebuild. I've never had cause to work on the house other than simple maintenance tasks as I've always rented previously and refuse to pay renovate a house someone else owns. I didn't say I'm crap at it, I just lack experience. No one was born a DIY guru. In any case it's senseless to plough ahead without asking advice when there's a good source available.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've a dewalt battery drill that was £300 9 years ago and still manages a days work on the one 2ah battery, and £50 B+Q SDS corded drill with hammer and rotary stop for the smashy tasks like chasing walls and removing tiles.

Diy is easy, there's shed loads of videos on YouTube from how to hang a picture to replumbing your heating.

Much like bikes though, the more involved you get, the more tools you buy!!
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 27 Dec 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

I'd really like to fit my new boiler myself if I could have tested it, certified it and not invalidated the guarantee. Its not because I know that much about boiler installations, but I'm just a miserable/stubborn fucker that doesn't want any tradesmen in my house if I can help it.


I'd like to fit my new boiler myself because the vast majority of tradesmen I come across are totally incompetant and I could do a better job myself by fillowing the instructions a line at a time. I can think of only one who turned up, turned up when he said he would and did his job well and he's a bathroom fitter.

Whoever did my last boiler install was a fucking retard. I landed up having to rewire the entire control unit and fit my own thernostat because it had been done so badly on the install. Then it turned out the guy I got in to fix a fault with the boile ritself, despite claiming to be a boiler expert and being recommended by a couple of people locally couldn't diagnose a fault on a fucking light switch, never mind a combi boiler.

After three visits and two new PCBs from him, I got the wiring diagram out myself and did some diagnostics using nothing fancier than a neon screwdriver which told me a flow switch wasn't switching. A brief visual inspection revealed it had been fitted at a 45 degree angle to the water flow. Literally fixed the problem by rotating the switch 45 degrees.

I'm needing a new one now but I genuinely don't trust anyone to fit it properly.
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