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I would certainly tell (if I knew)
My 955i Tiger I bought at a very good price, and it looked pretty immaculate. When I came to sell it the purchaser said it came up as stolen on the HPI check. I checked and it did, stolen about 6 years before but had changed owners twice since then.
I phoned the police to ask them if it was on their 'wanted' list and they said no and that probably the insurers had never updated it after it was recovered.
I told the prospective purchaser and he was happy to go ahead if I dropped a couple of hundred off the price. I did, but only cause I felt a bit of a cunt trying to sell him the bike with a marker on it. It certainly was in a condition you wouldn't think anything was wrong if you saw and rode it. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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As per RogerPal®'s standard corporate procedure, if you buy a vehicle from me, your phone / email will be blocked by the time you reach the end of the road, and you are welcome to vent your ire to /dev/null.
I'm surprised by this thread. Enfield purchasers don't tend to be the "burn your house down" types, so why are any fvck's being given? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I was discussing the subject of write-offs with some guys down the pub last night.
The consensus was a motorcycle write-off is a very different thing to a car write-off.
On a car, economic write-offs are usually subject to bodywork damage like a crumpled wing/door/bumper which tends to be bashed/pulled/filled/glued back into shape then resprayed.
On motorcycles, the damage is usually to cycle parts like a wheel or forks or a bent handlebar. Or to fairings which -with the exception of very light damage- are usually unsalvageable (or at least, not in a way you wouldn't be able to see). So on bikes, the damaged parts tend to be removed and replaced rather than repaired or patched up.
In some ways, a Cat C write off means there has been some sort of official oversight of the repair following a crash, especially with the new "rules" because you need a report showing it to be roadworthy beforee the DVLA will issue a new V5c for it.
It's the old bike with a "clean" history you have to be extra vigilant with. I could go out tomorrow and flip my bike over a drystone wall at 100mph, roll the forks, pull the subrfame straight with a pry bar, bodge a set of aftermarket plastics on and sell it. If I don't tell anyone, there is no record of it happening. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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When selling a bike I usually summarise everything in the documentation I hold, good or bad, in the advert, so if selling a previously cat C or D'd bike, I'd mention it. That being said, I let the buyer do the talking; I answer any question asked of me, and I'd point out anything that would be obvious to a savvy buyer, but I don't list every last thing I can be beaten up on price with.
The first YBR I bought had the fact it was a write off (can't remember if it was C or D) on the V5, but I didn't notice that until after I'd parted with cash. I was wet, tired and had looked at a number of dogs - this was a decent bike. I was annoyed it hadn't been mentioned, but more annoyed at myself for not noticing, or asking. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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Previously : CB100N > CB250RS > XJ900F > GT550 > GPZ750R/1000RX > AJS M16 > R100RT > Bullet 500 > CB500 > LS650P > Bullet Electra X & YBR125 > Bullet 350 "Superstar" & YBR125 Custom > Royal Enfield Classic 500 Despatch Limited Edition (28 of 200) & CB Two-Fifty Nighthawk > ER5 |
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Posted: 19:02 - 29 Dec 2017 Post subject: |
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stinkwheel wrote: | In some ways, a Cat C write off means there has been some sort of official oversight of the repair following a crash, especially with the new "rules" because you need a report showing it to be roadworthy beforee the DVLA will issue a new V5c for it. |
Er, source?
AFAICT, there are only two (actual) categories of write-off: repairable, and non-repairable. Repairable, DVLA don't care. Non-repairable, DVLA won't issue a V5C. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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It's clear as mud but I was under the impression that for a Cat S and cat N, you have to apply to the DVLA with an engineers report/MOT to get the V5 re-issued.
I was, perhaps, mistaken. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles. |
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Legally, don't tell them anything that isn't true.
Morally, I probably would. But I'm sure my bike would be considered a cat C if an insurer looked at it right now, out in the works car park, if they had to pay out for it.
But also, the buyer shares a lot of the responsibility, the V5 said it, why did they not look at it? Did they not know what to look for? They should have brought a capable person.
Meh. Let him whinge, not your problem. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 87 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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