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Posted: 15:59 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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As often as your body allows it honestly. Depends on your goals and what you are doing tbh. If you are going spartan training then you will be smashing it and will need lots of recovery, if it is more you want to shape up and get a little fitter, less intensity, more volume.
The thing is, the more you do it, the more your body will let you know to a degree, especially with injuries, you might feel a twinge and be like hmm that's ok, and other times nope that's a stopper. It's the heroes that ignore the warnings that tear things apart, usually*.
*And yet allow for just sheer bad luck
This is suggested also by someone far more qualified then myself https://www.amazon.co.uk/Becoming-Supple-Leopard-Preventing-Performance/dp/1936608588/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537974013&sr=1-2&keywords=supple+leopard ____________________ Honda Varadero >> Triumph Speed Four >> Honda CBR1100xx |
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Posted: 16:07 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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Trouble is, that DOMS injury I had a little while back has made me wary. I was out of commission for a few days after that, and then found it hard to get going again once it had healed. That's the bad luck you're referring to I guess, I had no idea I was overdoing it at the time.
I've got to a point now where I just don't like to have more than two rest days at a time, and preferably just one, which is what I'm doing today (after 3 consecutive days of exercise), aside from a little light stretching. I'm just trying to accept that gains come more slowly when you're older, and not to push myself too hard, as long as I can see the benefits - maybe I'll be able to up the pace in the future. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 17:01 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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It is tougher as you get older, everything takes longer to heal and recover as well.
if you can stick to it enough that you start to get gains you might appreciate the changes both mental and physical. I sorta went hardcore cycling cardio over the summer as I had let it slip too hard. It was a sufferfest at first which left me feeling a sweaty broken mess but I just ensured I was trying to get in at least 200 miles minimum a month at the start.
Towards the end before my layup I had advanced to the point where I was well above the national average speed, aches and twitches were relieving, knee pain was faded as I assume connective tissue and muscles were strengthening and overall health including mental faculty had improved.
A silly anecdotal test was at work, we have this multi-level mezzanine floor section. Prior to hitting it, I would be huffing by the top and feeling 50, now I can leg it up full speed and I'm barely panting. I also dropped my resting heart rate to just above 60, it used to be low 80s.
I will be hitting it again as I miss the calming effect I get and I also do not want to regress to that level again. I chose cycling due to damage in my foot which leaves me in agony from running plus I damaged my hip doing hill sprints like a complete muppet. No pain at all on the bike, apart from butt and back but fit and adaptation take care of that.
I think after that, i'll get that book and or possibly Yoga, then add in some resistance work again, calisthenics / kettlebells once the base is strengthed again.
If you have time and you want a differing methodology give this a spin. It also delves in philosophy but that may twist your head off a bit if you are completely new. The exercise stuff is worth thinking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDsoWp743gM ____________________ Honda Varadero >> Triumph Speed Four >> Honda CBR1100xx |
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Posted: 17:58 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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If you have time and you want a differing methodology give this a spin. It also delves in philosophy but that may twist your head off a bit if you are completely new. The exercise stuff is worth thinking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDsoWp743gM |
I'm 15mins into that - fascinating. I'll watch the rest later. Hey, according to them, I'm not doing things too badly: fish oil, check!
MMA fighters eh? I had this thing that they were all up themselves, but I suppose as long as you don't get them talking about TMA, they can have something worth hearing
Edit: Hmm, having watched some more, I'm not so sure. Feels like they're playing with supposition a lot. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 19:57 - 26 Sep 2018 Post subject: |
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so last night ran 12 miles, today I led a trail ride
quite happy with my fitness overall, though a bit annoyed I feel too tired to do core exercises and weights tonight
"pyramind " training on hills tomorrow night with my running club, might do it if I can fit it in |
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Copy paste from cycling forum.
Today I did do...
Damn that was hard work. Eskdale to Ambleside and back.
Wrynose on the way back was just relentless and into the wind. I cycled much of it overall but got off and pushed a few times cos I was either knackered and or had to stop for a car (or cattle) and couldn't get going again. Keeping the front wheel down and thinking I was going over backwards was one of the problems, kept popping little wheelies when I got going.
And I had a stupid rucksack to keep my d lock and cable loop in.
The descents were fun in a scary rollercoaster I don't want to die kinda way. About 5,000 ft of climbing in 36 miles.
But, my friends own a cafe in Ambleside and I got a free lunch and met old friends I haven't seen for years.
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Did you finish the video? The philo section might add some idea of my thinking if you can get your head around it. |
Can you give me a pointer to where to start for this? It's a long video, and some of it isn't too relevant for me at this point. Remember that I'm in the early stages of this, and can only do so much myself. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Aches from yesterday dictate a rest day today.
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Ok, this is good, this makes sense. This is also quite important to me with my injuries etc that I'm carrying because I can easily overdo things, more so than most.
I try not to push to the last iota of effort when I'm training. This I deduced intuitively (you see what I did there? with the second video section? ). But it's explained well here. Like today, I needed a rest day, because I did too much yesterday. Not to the point of injury, but to where if I trained today, I probably would injure myself because of the accumulative effects. So I should have done a bit less yesterday, even though I was quite capable of doing what I did without injuring myself. Then I could have trained today.
So the "Flow Channel" thing, Now it's just a case of me finding within what bounds that channel lies for myself.
This, otoh...
Wait, sorry, where are you going with this?! I was kind of primed for a 'philosophy of fitness training' sorta deal, and you blew my mind?
Quote: | There is more obs but that should explain things. Would you like some training literature? |
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I have repeated my C25K week 5 run 1 about four times now and slowed down so that I can finish the run without feeling exhausted. So I am going to go on to run 2 (8 minute run, five minute walk, 8 minute run) and see how I do.
I have also signed up to do an 8 mile charity evening walk for a local hospice so its time to brush off my flashing bunny ears ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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For giggles I had a go at week 5 run 2 (warm up, 8min run, 5min walk, 8min run, cool down) and I made it through without breaking pace at all.
I feel proud of myself! I couldn’t have done that a few weeks ago! ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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thx1138 wrote: | back from Cumbria, zero exercise today, yesterday I did a 6mile trail run with about 700ft climb in it.
Roadie bicycle has gear problems, and in the morning I've entered a 60mile cycle sportive, 75 miles including getting home (blagged a lift there) so will be doing it on my heavy steel hybrid, so any hopes of a good time out the window. Will be interesting to see what my heart rate / relative effort is on strava though.
really, really need to do core exercises, but well it was a holiday, need to get back on it though |
d'oh got the day wrong, dragged myself out of bed at stupid o clock for no reason Did an 8 mile run, including pacing my wife for a 32minute park run, and the good news is bike shop fixed my bike up under warranty and it's good for the sportive in the morning.
100k/60mile sportive, plus a trip of about 15 miles each way too in the morning, on my "good" bike |
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So, todays cycle ride. I am little disappointed with my time, , as I took a wrong turn, not got an official time yet, fingers crossed for a sub 4hr- it was entirely my own fault, unlike some people who fell victim to sign tampering/vandalism, but I went a few miles out of my way cos I missed a sign on a junction that was clearly marked, plus some dithering about whilst I looked at a map and doubled back.
Anyway, my average moving speed over the whole morning was 16mph, which isn't bad considering as my 15mile journey home was very slow, and plodding.
Got a string of PB's - so, probably set off too fast.
95.2miles
5hrs 56mins
3,100ft elevation
5,000 Kcal
Heart Rate 120 avg, 161 max
Speed 16mph avg, 32.1mph max (I coasted all downhills, that's why it's so slow)
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The last post was made 5 years, 202 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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