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I think it would have looked something like this:
https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Earth-Pacific-Ocean.jpg
But instead, it looks like this:
https://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Earth-Pacific-Ocean.jpg
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Without using any natural resources on a large scale, we wouldn't have left the cave.
At the very least, you need something to sustain fire, so that's vegetation or natural mineral deposits (assuming we'd bothered to work out you can burn coal).
Without fire, you don't cook, you don't make usable pottery and you don't make metal tools on any kind of scale, so you have no reason to expand your population, or explore beyond the immediate area needed to sustain a limited settlement.
That means you don't often need to be in contact with other settlements, so you don't develop universal language.
At best, we might have just about got to the bronze age and stopped, we might even have gone extinct, we certainly wouldn't have the population we have now, not even close. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Posted: 23:17 - 12 Jan 2020 Post subject: |
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Our big brains allow us to ….I forget but it was a salient point.
[edit] Oh yeah. Coal doesn't need mining and oil doesn't require drilling.
Large scale use of natural resources were used over 4 thousand years ago.
With our big brains some bright spark (geddit) would work out that tar is useful for waterproofing and keeping the night at bay, and predators.
Somebody would learn that chewing a plant would alleviate an illness and also learn some had antiseptic properties thus extending life.
Even without natural hallucinogens our brains are adept at lateral thinking. We can't help but explore in mind and in action.
There is always somebody in the tribe willing to find/make new paths.
Even with pandemics humans would expand in number and geographically.
I don't think we could have stayed at a point where we didn't 'advance' towards the industrial revolution.
We will continue to consume our own tail up until the end.
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Howling Terror wrote: | Our big brains allow us to ….I forget but it was a salient point. |
Think of new ways of using natural resources?
Except in this scenario, we can't, not on an industrial scale.
OP needs to look at the few populations of untouched natives who live in various places around the world.
They don't travel anywhere they can't get to and from in more than a few days, because extensive exploration means gambling that you can find recognisable food and water sources in places you don't know and, even then, you need to have figured out a way of taking enough food to sustain you on at least part of your trip.
But it's much easier to stay more or less where you are, while your ability to expand a population is controlled by the resources you have available - if you can't get enough food for everybody, the weak die.
Hence we have isolated pockets of people who have had no contact with the wider world, because they have neither the ability or desire (assuming they know there is a wider world) to do so. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Posted: 23:42 - 12 Jan 2020 Post subject: Re: What would the world be like today... |
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recman wrote: | ... if humans hadn't drilled for oil or mined for coal or used any other of its natural resources on any kind of industrial scale.
I'm not making an eco warrior statement, I'm just interested to hear what you think the physical appearance of the planet would be like and which direction would the human race have taken without using natural resources. |
Without industry? Without scientific advance, then.
The world would probably have looked much as it did before the Chalcolithic period, i.e. in the Neolithic, but with a large number of advances in the general scale of things, housing, transport, farming, art. Whatever can be made or done without metal. Don't forget theat the Stone Age lasted a very, very long time, and we've only had about 10,000 years since.
What about humans? Would there be significant difference? Hm. What, say 500 generations would have passed. Perhaps we'd be resistant or immune to a lot of the old diseases like smallpox, but be susceprible to something newish such as ebola. I doubt we;d look much different or be less intelligent. |
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Not exploiting natural resources? Then basically you're asking what the planet would have been like without humans at all!
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Posted: 10:59 - 13 Jan 2020 Post subject: Re: What would the world be like today... |
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Riejufixing wrote: |
The world would probably have looked much as it did before the Chalcolithic period, i.e. in the Neolithic, but with a large number of advances in the general scale of things, housing, transport, farming, art. Whatever can be made or done without metal. Don't forget theat the Stone Age lasted a very, very long time, and we've only had about 10,000 years since. |
makes you wonder, the original poster says natural resources, does this include wood/stone? most of these advances need some kind of wood to build stuff with, so it makes you think if any of these things would be at all possible?
I would suspect if this was the case that we cannot use this, I suspect that the world will still be the green and lush garden it should have always been, and humans would still be swinging from tree to tree or still keeping to small hunter gatherer communities, hunting stuff with spears, oh wait, spears are made with wood..........hmmmm ____________________ My wife asked me to get her something that goes from 0-100 in under 5 seconds for her birthday. ......................I got her a bathroom scale. |
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The Industrial Revolution is a thing that everyone points to but the most dramatic impact (on the planet) has to be Henry Ford's [refinement of] mass production and the Haber–Bosch process. Without either of these things we probably wouldn't be worrying about such things as climate change.
Consider world population:
It took around 2000 years for it to grow from 100 million to a billion.
It took around 200 years for it to grow from a billion to almost 8 billion
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Jimbo is right, you don't miss what you've never had. Look at all the tribes all over the world that have never, or very rarely, came into contact with the ''white man''. They live just like their ancestors did hundreds and maybe thousands of years before. Only using the resources that are available around them.
Also, nutrition (diet) is linked with intelligence. Meaning, children having enough food means their brains develop further (higher IQ) than those children who starved while growing up. That's why the nations who managed to farm the land thrived while those who were pure hunters stagnated. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 101 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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