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PostPosted: 22:13 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Bangermatics - leaky roof Reply with quote

Fed up of getting wet when it rains, i bought a cheap car (Civic 2003) to stop me getting wet.

But the little fucker has a leaking roof so I still get wet when it rains grrr

it has factory fitted sunroof fitted, which looks quite clean around the seals/ drains etc

I have poked some strimmer string down the holes to see if they are blocked, but I didnt seem to feel anything in there?

Im gonna try removing the liner an taking a look, anyone else had similar?
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

i solved the same problem on my old VW Scirocco (sadly missed) using a length of electrical cable (like you'd use for a ceiling lamp). It was the right diameter to act like a plunger. For a while it looks like it wasn't going to work but then the drain exit in the door pillar gushed out some foul-smelling dirty water. Fixed.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clean and lubricate everything. Seals to make better seal and the mechanism to make sure the roof is fully closing. Then check the drainage actually works (most of I've seen had the drainage through one of the A-pillars). How to check the drainage? Well, pour some water there.

Like so (all the water should end up on the ground, under the car and it shouldn't take long):

EDIT: See this: https://youtu.be/KMuHLyiucB4?t=49s

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2wwqrMKRrDU/maxresdefault.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit off topic but been pondering this for a while, when did sunroofs go out of fashion? You used to see them all the time late 80s/early nineties but not so much now.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As banger what's wrong with gaffer taping the sunroof join - two strips for each edge overlapping.

Or ronseal.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

just slap some sillicunt sealant on it

https://conspecmaterials.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/BOSS-380-Contractors-RTV-Silicone-Sealant-for-weathersealing1.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:


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PostPosted: 23:40 - 02 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Bit off topic but been pondering this for a while, when did sunroofs go out of fashion? You used to see them all the time late 80s/early nineties but not so much now.

Yep, I love a sunroof. I had glass, manually-operated Britax sunroofs fitted to two or three cars in the 80s and you can still get Webasto to retrofit one. The car manufacturers seemed to decide that sunroofs didn't pair with air-con when that innovation appeared on UK cars but they're coming back in-vogue. Panoramic isn't the same though.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Bit off topic but been pondering this for a while, when did sunroofs go out of fashion? You used to see them all the time late 80s/early nineties but not so much now.


I think it had something to do with the rise in available/affordability of aircon. Back then you'd open up everything you could to try to get a draft in a vain attempt to stay cool in summer, now you wind up the windows and press the a/c button.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Bit off topic but been pondering this for a while, when did sunroofs go out of fashion? You used to see them all the time late 80s/early nineties but not so much now.


When A/C became affordable, efficient and reliable.

When I started selling cars in the mid 80s, A/C had an effect on fuel consumption, power output and was only available on top drawer models - eg, it was listed as an option on the Montego VdP, but it cost £1200, which was about 10% of the price of the car; in that period, I can't remember ever selling a car with the A/C option box ticked.

Ten years later, engines were more powerful (for a given capacity) A/C systems were more efficient and the cost had halved.

Another ten years on and A/C was expected - have a look through the classifieds and see how many post 2005 cars you can find (above the most basic, shitbox superminis) that don't have it.

tl:dr somewhere around the first half of the 21st century, it became largely standard.
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. I'd say there are enough cars where it's an option that you'd still benefit from a sunroof*, although maybe that's the idea.

*it was many moons ago my dad had a car with one but I don't remember them really cooling the car down. Maybe if you're in the back? Smile
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or do what i did on my other halfs Clio with a leaky sunroof, bought some clear vinyl wrap and just pasted it over the whole sunroof, overlapping onto the roof by an inch or so, problem solved

Obviously you couldn't open the sunroof again, but it never leaked again either
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrs car had a sunroof but the inner panel disappeared into the roof somewhere so couldn't shut the sunlight out

on a trip to cornwall with the sun directly overhead I ended up burning my head in the car
and got sunstroke Sick
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Interesting. I'd say there are enough cars where it's an option that you'd still benefit from a sunroof*, although maybe that's the idea.

*it was many moons ago my dad had a car with one but I don't remember them really cooling the car down. Maybe if you're in the back? Smile


My Brother's fairly recent Peugeot came with A/C and sunroof. I can't really tell if it's a benefit or not. It does somehow suck air out of the car but at the same time the sunroof is made out of glass so the sun is scorching your legs/head.

I never liked sunroofs, always though it was a useless piece of something, that's going to eventually leak. When I was looking for a pimp mobile (Mercedes-Benz), I got one without a sunroof.

Now being a bit more educated, I wouldn't worry about leaks. After all, 99% of issues with water leaks is caused by faulty drainage, rather than mechanical damage, and about 70% of that is just a result of dirt, mostly tree leaves rotting inside. It's not rocket science, but takes some time to keep the drainage/s clean and in perfect order. Something that people never do, so when you buy a used car that's been parked under trees for years, you may expect issues with water leaks.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m not suggesting the sunroof isn’t leaking, but don’t discount the possibility that the leak is coming from elsewhere. For example Aygo’s/C1’s and 107’s can suffer from the gasket going on the high level brake light causing water to come in. I’ve known this to somehow make its way to the interior light and drip out from there.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd literally have gaffer or silicon shit all over that, no one uses them, they do jack.

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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

i gave it a good ramming last night with a bit of strimmer line, it seemed to go down basically the height of the car, few places it did seem to get stuck so fingers crossed its unblocked/resolved it

failing that it will be hostage/ duct tape

fanks
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I'd literally have gaffer or silicon shit all over that, no one uses them, they do jack.

Sure they do, they increase airflow through the car without the turbulence created by an open side window. Tilted was all I ever needed. You can hear more too.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bozzy. wrote:
I’m not suggesting the sunroof isn’t leaking, but don’t discount the possibility that the leak is coming from elsewhere. For example Aygo’s/C1’s and 107’s can suffer from the gasket going on the high level brake light causing water to come in. I’ve known this to somehow make its way to the interior light and drip out from there.


Same car i mentioned s above

Used to let water through Ariel fitting on roof and through interior light
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Paddy. wrote:
I'd literally have gaffer or silicon shit all over that, no one uses them, they do jack.

Sure they do, they increase airflow through the car without the turbulence created by an open side window. Tilted was all I ever needed. You can hear more too.


My music is always at 11 to drown out those pesky motorcycles with loud cans. Razz

Sunroof sucks, gaffer.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love sunroofs. The only luxuries I really like on a car are a heater, electric windows and a sunroof.

On leaky ones. Silicone spray lube has mysteriously cleared up the problem for me a few times and compressed air blown through the drain.

If it's not the drain but the seal it may be the car is a bit bent. I've known a couple of people had leaky sunroofs after having crashed cars. Not minor bumps though but proper full on wing ripped off type.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 04 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
i gave it a good ramming last night with a bit of strimmer line, it seemed to go down basically the height of the car, few places it did seem to get stuck so fingers crossed its unblocked/resolved it

failing that it will be hostage/ duct tape

fanks


Did you see this video https://youtu.be/KMuHLyiucB4?t=49s ?
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 06 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i have it sussed.

It looks like a blocked drain, I ran a bit of wire down the drain hole an it seemed to get stuck/ hit something solid, when I removed the wire it was covered in soil Shocked

So as per "Rhyno's" vid, I will pull the glovey out tomorrow an see if i can access the pipe from there.

Another issue it has, is the inter heater fan switch doesn't work, at some point someone has fitted a toggle switch for the fan so its either on maximum speed or off.

heat controls work, as does the A/C.

Just been reading abut it an it could be a resistor behind the glovebox so will have a look at that aswell

cheers all
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 06 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't be without my T-bar removable glass roof panels, which being titanium coated are the only Ti part on the whole car.

Sure the already crap structural rigidity is much worse, the wind noise whistling around the roof panels is annoying, and yeah they can be a source of leaks.

I'd rather be able to remove half the length of my roof on a hot day, and feel the breeze, than have all the extra pipe work, weight, power sapping compressors, and a condenser to get damaged, as well as having all that nasty refrigerant gas to leak out, or make working in my already very crowded engine bay any worse.

Fuck A/C, it's a modern car thing and I don't like it! I'd like to throw out my PAS rack and pipework too if there was a manual rack available, as I don't want to deal with high pressure hoses, or pay to have some made etc.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 07 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Fuck A/C, it's a modern car thing and I don't like it! I'd like to throw out my PAS rack and pipework too if there was a manual rack available, as I don't want to deal with high pressure hoses, or pay to have some made etc.


You seem to be very anti-modern.

I get it, but seriously, I had no AC in my Civic for about 2 weeks in the height of summer. I nearly died.
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