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PostPosted: 08:43 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Another Large Capacity Engine on the way from China Reply with quote

Well, following on from CFMoto, and Benelli, Shineray are about to produce larger capacity engines upto 1200c, predominently for bikes in the SWM range..

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/range-swm-v-twins-way
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copies of anything, or will they be creating a whole new set of problems?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see that Shineray are going down this road.
A 1200cc v-twin from a Chinese manufacturer? That could be interesting.
Lots of money on product development and still no mention of a proper dealer network or dealer support?

IMHO it won’t matter how many different models they have/get in their range, nobody will buy if they can’t get the product support.


Waddya recon? Do you think Ducati should be concerned?
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Interesting to see that Shineray are going down this road.
A 1200cc v-twin from a Chinese manufacturer? That could be interesting.
Lots of money on product development and still no mention of a proper dealer network or dealer support?

IMHO it won’t matter how many different models they have/get in their range, nobody will buy if they can’t get the product support.


Waddya recon? Do you think Ducati should be concerned?


Exactly.

Many people new to bikes buy cheap Chinese 125's thinking that as they are new, they will be fine. They have problems and the present multi marque dealers (I use that word loosely) just fob them off. Then they don't go back when they want bigger bike.

I actually wonder if the Chinese manufacturers even care about the British market. It is such a small amount compared with the far east. Why spend millions setting up a dealer network for a few hundred bikes a year.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my Shineray (Mash) is well supported with quite a few dealers in the relatively local area, and, when needed, I have no problems with getting anything for my CFMoto, probably not as many dealers stocking the CF as there are Mash, but, still haven't had any problems so far. Having said that, I haven't actually needed any replacement parts for the Mash, and the only replacment parts I've needed for the CF were when I had the crash about 15 months ago, but, the parts I wanted arrived all in good time.

As SWM & Mash appear to be handled by the same importers over hear, I would have no qualms about getting 1. Likewise, if CFMoto ever bring the TR-G over hear, I'll happily upgrade my TR, again, without hesitation. Also looks like Benelli's 1200 engine (a triple, not a twin) has made it into at least pre-production, and if there 1200, and, if that was to make it over here as their big shaft driven tourer, then, CFMoto may just miss out on my repeat custom, that is of course, if I haven't gone over to electric by then Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I'd have a quick look

There are more WK dealers, and Mash Dealers, than there are Triumph dealers within 25 miles of Wolverhampton !!
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
I thought I'd have a quick look

There are more WK dealers, and Mash Dealers, than there are Triumph dealers within 25 miles of Wolverhampton !!


But they're not dealers of that marque. They're mix and match punt-on'ers with no particular affiliation or risk of reputational damage when something goes wrong.

A Triumph dealer cocking up a customer's bike and refusing to put it right - customer goes to Triumph UK and complains and everything is put right again (look at the Victor Devine saga for reference). A WK 'dealer' has a bike go wrong and refuses to deal with it - customer's option is what? Ring China? No chance.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but there are also alot of those on the Triumph dealers lists aren't dedicated Triumph Dealers. And for those of us in Wolverhampton, we lost our Triumph 'dealer' when Stratstone shut down their branch on Stafford Road, whether they still stock them in the Stratstone Harley shop I don't know. Before that, when I used to work in Solihull, the Triumph 'dealership' near the airport, transformed into a Kia dealership !!

The key question is are they dealerships I can take my bike to if required, and the answer is yes they are. Right now if I wanted a Triumph dealership, I'd have to go to Tunstall, in Stoke (40 miles away), Stratford-Upon-Avon (55 miles away) or Long Eaton (50 miles away). They are the 3 nearest to Wolverhampton. Not very convenient, whereas, there are Mash Dealerships in Birmingham (25 miles) I mention this, as that is where I bought my Mash from, Brownhills (11 miles), Cannock 10 miles, and more, all far more convenient than the Triumph dealerships and probably no less likely to remain as thery are than the Triumph dealerships are.

Oh, and when we did have a Triumph dealership, where I bought my America new from, they never did fix the issue with the engine cutting out randomly, nor, the poor connections in the wiring loom !!
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
Yes, but there are also alot of those on the Triumph dealers lists aren't dedicated Triumph Dealers.


They might be mixed marque but they're likely established dealers selling mainstream marque bikes with good experience of doing so. Triumph are unlikely to provide a franchise to anyone that isn't because of the reputational damage to the brand that could occur if they did so. Are WK and the like so concerned about that?

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The key question is are they dealerships I can take my bike to if required, and the answer is yes they are.


That's as good as saying you could take it to any generic motorcycle workshop though - I doubt there's any added expertise, knowledge or specialist equipment to be gained taking it up Dodgy Dan the ChingChong Dealer's back alley.

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Right now if I wanted a Triumph dealership, I'd have to go to Tunstall, in Stoke (40 miles away), Stratford-Upon-Avon (55 miles away) or Long Eaton (50 miles away). They are the 3 nearest to Wolverhampton. Not very convenient


But they are very convenient when you have a problem under warranty, drop the bike off and ride out on a loaner. There will be a parts store full of relevant service bits, bits that are a 'known issue' or recall parts off the shelf and anything that is required for it outside of that won't be a Rainpal's wait away.

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Oh, and when we did have a Triumph dealership, where I bought my America new from, they never did fix the issue with the engine cutting out randomly, nor, the poor connections in the wiring loom !!


Not unusual to have a bad experience at a dealer but at least it is AN experience and when it all goes wrong you have routes through to resolving it. I'm not saying UK main dealers of the premium brands are great - far from it - but to suggest that the likes of WK's dealership 'network' are on par, despite them perhaps being more conveniently located for you, is a stretch so far into the distance I can't see the perspective of TBH.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm only going off my own personal experience, for example I bought the Triumph, because, I liked it rode well when I test drove it, but the dealers couldn't fix the issues, and when the dealership closed, I was left high and dry, with a bike that if I couldn't ride, I couldn't get to one of the other dealers.

Honda, I grant you were a different matter altogether, I bought my VTX 2nd hand, but if required the local dealership were handy, however, no more handy than the garage I usually use for my repairs/mot's etc

I'm not saying WK have a great dealer network, but, the 1 time I did need parts, they arrived and my bike was lt repaired, granted by myself, because I could, in under a week. And, that isn't just my experience, I'm in contact with another 6 CF650TR riders, and, any warranty work has been carried out quickly and without hesitation, and anything non warranty related, but still spares required, the parts have generally arrived next day, I don't think that is particularly bad.

Mash dealers, seem to be very good at support in the main from what I've seen, and, to top it off, the Mash dealer outside Birmingham, is also one of the main Royal Enfield dealers as well. I had no trouble having a test ride, in fact I turned up unannounced, and was offered a test ride at the time after talking to the shop owner. I have taken the Mash back there, for it's services to keep it's warranty, and for a social chat, and, will in all probability take it there again in July when the MOT is due.

I believe there was a batch of Mash 400's with faulty ecu's, which have all been replaced, luckily mine wasn't in that batch.

Now, I will grant you, when it comes to my Zhongshen, that's a different matter, and I think it's fairly safe to say I won't be recommending Honley (the dealer/imported in the UK) to anybody else in the near future. Luckily, parts for the RX-3 are easy to get, but you just need a little advance planning !!
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
when it comes to my Zhongshen, that's a different matter, and I think it's fairly safe to say I won't be recommending Honley (the dealer/imported in the UK) to anybody else in the near future. Luckily, parts for the RX-3 are easy to get, but you just need a little advance planning !!


Sadly this is my experience of owning a Chinese bike
And it’s just as bad owning a Hyosung if my experiences are anything to go by Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, hoping my Hyosung ownership doesn't fall into the Zhongshen category !! lol However, the dealers in Brownhills seem to be pretty reasonable, but again, not had any cause you use them for repairs.. If need be, SV650 oil filters and so on should be fine for me. But, looking at the Hyosung owners forum, if looked after, you get get some decent relatively untroubled mileage out of them.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Sadly this is my experience of owning a Chinese bike
And it’s just as bad owning a Hyosung if my experiences are anything to go by Crying or Very sad


I had a harder time buying parts for a Derbi than a Hyosung.
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 03 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
looking at the Hyosung owners forum, if looked after, you get get some decent relatively untroubled mileage out of them.


Mine has been blinding Thumbs Up , a nice reliable bike and one I’d like to keep.
(If support was better)
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