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Posted: 19:47 - 07 Jan 2018 Post subject: Seating Car Tyre |
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Start of the weekend I had 2 brand new cheap tyres to fit to my car, easy enough I thought, got the old tyres off easy enough, got the new tyres on the rim but that's it
Can't get the fuckers to seat, the sidewalls are pressed in so much that there's at least an inch gap between the rubber and the rim, looking into it there are people who use starter fluid to create an explosion which seats the tyre. I bought some today to try it but the gaps too big and all the explosion power just goes through the gap.
Here's a picture of one of the new tyres, there's about a 3" gap but it needs to be 5" or so before it will touch the rim and I can blow up with my compressor.
https://i.imgur.com/Bhotxdt.jpg
Old Tyre for comparison
https://i.imgur.com/jP8Q6Os.jpg
Here's the gap with the tyre on, ideally there shouldn't be any gap and you should just be able to inflate the tyre with compressed air which will push the walls out and seat it onto the rim.
https://i.imgur.com/59pKmPK.png
I did see a video of some old dude using a tyre soap to fill the gap, I also bought 5kg of tyre paste today but it's not the right stuff.
Finally I tried using a small ratchet strap around the outside but I couldn't get it that tight and the walls only seemed to cave in closer together.
Anyone came across this problem before changing tyres? |
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Posted: 10:21 - 08 Jan 2018 Post subject: |
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Can't think of the correct name but you can buy a big rubber ring to make a temporary seal which is pushed out as the tyre expands. You could also buy a Cheetah air blaster.
<edit>One of these.</edit> |
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iooi wrote: |
Reg 63 MV (Con and Use) Regs 1986 could be invoked as it states :
motor cars and motor cycles, not being agricultural motor vehicles or pedestrian-controlled vehicles shall be equipped with wings or other similar fittings to catch, so far as practicable, mud or water thrown up by the rotation of its wheels or tracks unless adequate protection is afforded by the body of the vehicle.
Max fine: £1000 more if a goods/pass veh involved.
or even Section 40A RT Act 1988 - parts and accessories in such condition as likely to cause danger
Max fine £2500 (more if goods/pass vehicle), discretionary disq, 3 points. |
As i said, the whole point of the tyre stretch is to keep the tyre tread within the confines of the vehicle body, and the tread is the bit that throws up the mud & water (i'm guessing this is where the whole thing started from, to abide by this rule)
However, many people do just stretch their tyres for the looks, or to get their wheels "flush" with the body/wheel arch
As dumb and dangerous as it is, it appears to be perfectly legal to fit ill fitting tyres to cars ____________________ Current Bike: Honda CG125 ES4 // Honda CB600FS Hornet // Triumph Street Triple R |
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rpsmith79 wrote: | mpd72 wrote: | Good luck trying to find a specialist tyre fitter who will fit an illegally narrow tyre to a rim.
You'd be amazed how much work some of these younger Vee-Dub enthusiasts do themselves. Some even band their own steel wheels before stretching the tyres back over the wider rims. |
Illegal you say, what law would that be then?
I was (and still am) part of the VW scene in and around Sheffield, and there are a number of "friendly" tyre fitter who will happily stretch fit tyres for you
I am however very much in the camp that is is stupid and dangerous (but that is another topic entirely), but currently there is no law against it (or at least none that i am aware of)
You do know why many people fit stretched tyres though don't you, it's to actually allow them to legally fit wheels wider than the body work, but there are laws/rules stating that the tyre tread must be within the confines of the bodywork, hence stretching the tyres so that the actual tread is just a hairs breadth within the wheel arch but the wheel itself protrudes outside the arch |
What VW do you drive?
My Shuttle campervan conversion is fairly well know in the scene. The build thread on the T5 Forum has around 30,000 views. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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rpsmith79 wrote: |
I drive a Honda Civic, and it's build thread has exactly Zero views, your point being what? |
You're not really well connected to the Vee Dub scene then, where this practice is common, are you? I am and know plenty of people who not only for their own stretch tyres, but even band their won steels.
rpsmith79 wrote: | Now how about you tell me what this law about stretching tyres |
Having valid insurance is a legal requirement for a start. I presume these drivers have all informed their insurers of this modification outside of original manufacture?
How about section 27 of Construction and use regs?
Quote: | “A tyre should not be used on a road if it’s not maintained in such condition as to be fit for the use to which the vehicle is being put” |
Meaning it should be put on a suitable wheel. It's sketchy, but MOT guidance now has diagrams of examples of incorrect seating of tyres.
It's not my bag personally, I run on 19" alloys with correct fitment tyres. I've also seen a few stretched tyres come unseated when driving. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 108 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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