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I was noticing last night that a lot of the things you can buy in the chill counter in plastic are available from the freezer in cardboard for about half the price.
Like fish fingers, pizzas, fish cakes, chicken nuggets, quorn etc. etc. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Again, plan properly and it won't be an issue, just like the plastic bag tax.
Plastic bag tax reduced usage of plastic bags by something like 80% overnight, whilst raising funds for environmental causes.
Disposable cup tax will do similar.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5613faf8e4b051c1fb534ae3/t/56eeff768259b504619a441f/1458503560881/
This, essentially.
Packaging is a thornier issue, as Smegballs mentions. I drive my housemates nuts by cleaning out plastic tubs and keeping them as ad hoc containers. I now just keep the nice ones , which they regularly use now as well.
They are really good quality bits of kit, designed for good loss prevention, and to just throw them away instantly is heart breaking.
We will start to see more and more of these taxes in future, which could essentially be called laziness taxes. Again, I could bore you with freshly learned stuff, but essentially we are not paying the true cost for goods... many costs are left external.
By taxing things it is an attempt to discourage use, and to make the actual cost something closer to the true cost. A cup might only cost 0.1p to produce... but the effect of water degradation in production, air pollution in transport, land use for disposal, etc etc. Probably does start coming close to 25p.
Or just bring your own cup
Considering the cost of a StarCost is now not far off a fiver anyway, the proportional increase of the tax is negligible... and yet will have a profound effect I'm sure. ____________________ Top cat
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One of the biggest causes of plastic microbeads accumulating in the environment are tyres, apparently...
Coming soon.... cardboard tyres for your bike? ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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Step 1: Identify problem.
Step 2: Tax the problem.
Step 3: Ignore the bawwing and boo-hooing and economy will fall on its head and unemployment will divide by zero.
Step 4: Wait for the incentive caused by the tax to lead to innovation.
Step 5: Producers can slowly move to the substitute, as and when they like. Original thing is available, just expensive and irritating.
Step 6: Receive bacon.
It's conceptually the same as when they banned CFC's or Tetraethyl lead... looking back on it now, it seemed like it was obvious, and that is happened over night.
Actually, everyone fought it, the economy was threatened with implosion and doom, and it took years of squabbling between countries to try and get everyone to toe the line.
And now we have excellent substitutes for both, or we innovated solutions to not require them in the first place... often cheaper and more efficient too.
Maybe not cardboard tyres, but rubber not laced with plastic microbeads would be good ____________________ Top cat
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Dave70 wrote: | Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote: | a papercup with a plastic inner that for some reason hasn't taken off yet. |
Then surely a ban would change that.
The 25p tax wouldn't effect me as I don't tend to buy take out hot drinks. It's just the cynic in me thinks the government are just using the green cause as a way to raise more tax.
A ban as opposed to a tax where eco friendly alternatives exist is surely the most logical way to go, unless they're just after the extra tax. |
Personally I think the tax is probably better than a ban in this case.
THe 'best' option, and the one the government presumably wants to encourage is the use of re-usable thermos type mugs. These are the lowest waste, and probably the best option.
The tax encourages the use of these items, but it also means that the time you get caught short without a suitable receptacle (commuting, nipping ot the office at lunch, airports or whatever) you can still buy a hot drink if you so desire.
Banning current cups might encourage more sustainable single use cups, but those are not as good as a re-usable, so you'd end up with obligatory 'green' single use cups (which will almost certainly be more expensive or more shit) and a tax to encourage re-usable cup use. It's a lose-lose.
Oh, and whilst they could just ban all single use cups, I don't want that, you probably don't want that, and Costa/Starbucks etc definitely won't be keen on changing their business model and losing customers either (after all, if you have to carry a thermos cup all the time if you want a hot drink, why not fill it at home?) ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 101 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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