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KingKong
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: No Number Plate Thrills Reply with quote

SWIM takes off their plate and enjoys speeding through speed cameras (including average speed cameras).

I think that takes balls. Not sure I could.

Apparently cameras cant chase what they cant see (number plate).

Cop cars not permitted to chase motorcycles; unless there’s a cop bike chasing - then the fugitive is fucked.

Views on the above, and on fake plates?

I think there’s a level of riders I envy, but lack the gall to emulate.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

That thing about cops not being allowed to chase is a myth. Not only that, the police have these things called 'radios' and 'mobile phones'. This means they can send someone further up the road to stop you without chasing.

The police can chase, they just do a health and safety risk assessment first. If it's safe to chase, they will.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to remember a news article a good few years ago where a chap sped through a forward facing camera every day, whilst giving the finger.

Eventually, the filth got fed up with it and managed to trace him through his helmet, or his leathers or the accessories on his bike or something similar.

I think he got in many troubles.

I sure as fuck wouldn't risk it with the amount of CCTV around. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cops in certain cases using stingers on bikes too.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Cops in certain cases using stingers on bikes too.

Those cases being where Dindu has already done did some violence.

I'd be surprised - although not astonished - if an urban force pursued unless there was egregious dickishness going on. Traffic 'Tashman, sure, he's got nothing better to do.

Even with a plate on, I'm getting very blasé about the legalities of my riding. Road policing is practically non-existent now: just calm it for the Kodaks and enjoy yourself everywhere else.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^Which I also advocate but then got pulled over and done for speeding.
Now the police have made me colourist towards black cars.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also so a thing called perverting the course of justice, the consequences for which far out way the consequences for speeding

Removing or otherwise obscuring your number plate to avoid detection, would definitely fall in to the category of perverting the course of justice.

The CPS wrote:
Sentencing. The maximum sentence that can be imposed for perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment and/or a fine. However, Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) sentencing guidelines recommend a prison sentence for this crime of between four and 36 months.

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PostPosted: 22:59 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Cops in certain cases using stingers on bikes too.


I just hope that they don't use this as a reason to start hassling people using mousses. Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
I seem to remember a news article a good few years ago where a chap sped through a forward facing camera every day, whilst giving the finger.

Eventually, the filth got fed up with it and managed to trace him through his helmet, or his leathers or the accessories on his bike or something similar.

I think he got in many troubles.

I sure as fuck wouldn't risk it with the amount of CCTV around. Thumbs Down


The article I read stated they also identified a missing bolt on one of the bikes fairings too, eagle eyed mofos.
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Even with a plate on, I'm getting very blasé about the legalities of my riding. Road policing is practically non-existent now: just calm it for the Kodaks and enjoy yourself everywhere else.


It’s the bastard average speed check cameras that are catapaulting us to the Orwellian 1984. They kill the joy of road riding.

Plate flippers are a temptation, and to the speed police advocates using scare tactics to dissuade the use of such woth “perverting the course of justice” - they’d have to find out there’s a flipper on board. Really.

They can go fuck themselves.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
^^^Which I also advocate but then got pulled over and done for speeding.
Now the police have made me colourist towards black cars.

Black Astras and Focii locally. I'm not actually talking about speeding, that kills kittehs. Tut Tut

More about treating some inanimate things as advisory: bits of paint, lightbulbs, the distinction between dissuasion and prevention. Not everywhere, not all the time, just where it makes a difference and harms no-one and is a laugh.
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 25 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
Cops in certain cases using stingers on bikes too.


I just hope that they don't use this as a reason to start hassling people using mousses. Thinking
They hate the offroader more than the peds.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Re: No Number Plate Thrills Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:

Cop cars not permitted to chase motorcycles;


I've been persued by many cop cars on my bike. One of them was doing double the motorway speed limit while doing so because he told me so after I stopped.

I wasn't always aware I was the subject of a "chase" but many of them thought they were having one. If you could have seen the excitement in his little face die when my response to "We've been chasing you since that laybye after Hawick" was "Well I stopped as soon as I saw you.". I did actually kack myself with that one, 95 in a 60. Never heard from them again for some reason.*

Not all of them caught up with me but more did than didn't.

Those are the ones I know about. There may have been "chases" I was entirely unaware of because the red mist did not descend.

I'm of the oppinion that if they are close enough to read the plate, the game is up anyway. If they are further back, you can later maintain plausible deniability and claim you hadn't seen them.

*It just occurred that perhaps they reviewed the video of the "chase" and realised they might have to disclose footage of them chasing a supermoto which was going full honk for 15 miles in their 5-series BMW on a twisty rural A-road. They MUST have pulled off some sketchy moves.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel:

They may might be too close to read the number plate, but if the plate is a fake/non-existent then they won’t be able to find you in any database after losing you in traffic.

IDK. There has to be a way to circumnavigate average speed cameras without easing off the throttle.
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:

IDK. There has to be a way to circumnavigate average speed cameras without easing off the throttle.


turn off down a byway, and pop out behind them Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

KingKong wrote:

They may might be too close to read the number plate, but if the plate is a fake/non-existent then they won’t be able to find you in any database after losing you in traffic. .


I was more meaning if they are close enough to read your plate, they probably aren't going to give up. You're going to have to take risky measures to even stand a chance of getting away.

Most average speed cameras I've seen face the front and unlike the truvelo they guy was giving the finger to (which takes a picture every time it detects high speeds), if a SPECS doesn't see a nuberplate, it can't calculate its average speed.

So you're correct in your surmise that a wrong/missing plate is effectively invisible to a specs system. A motorcycle is invisible to a front-looking SPECS camera.

I'm not sure if the ones on the A9 are even on. I can't find a report of someone being actually done by them in any vehicle. They don't get bikes, that I'm sure of after our clubs last run back from Ullapool.
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PostPosted: 07:28 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
Cops in certain cases using stingers on bikes too.


I just hope that they don't use this as a reason to start hassling people using mousses. Thinking


Unless they're into rally/off-road, most people won't even know what one is.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Re: No Number Plate Thrills Reply with quote

KingKong certainly likes speed cameras.

Just over a month ago in some other thread, OP wrote:
Was explaining how SPECS work to friend's enquiring son (9 years old). He then asked 'how would it work on vehicles without number plates'. He got me there as I'm not sure, so it's got me wondering how it would work, surely there's a system in place to detect no plate and [IDK] trace the vehicle?
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said previously, removed mine.

However, I thought of a better way, leave one screw in there and snap a plate you bought from ebay in half, put in the rear cowl. When/if queried, someone bumped you at the lights/roundabout/petrol station and it snapped... Wink

All about dat cover story.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the average speed cams near me face the wrong (right Smile )way for Motorcycles.

For the ones on the M6 that actually capture the plate, just time it well and be hidden by a lorry when you go past them.

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said previously, when/if my daily grind includes any section where I'm double-taxed for use of the road for I've already paid, I'll go #BakLayf. And at that point, I might as well just ignore all road traffic laws, like a cyclist.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 26 Jan 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bodyguard wrote:

Get that stick out of your arse. Moral fag.


I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't do it merely providing you the information to make a informed decision

Infact because I'm a nice person I even help you, heres a link to a plate flipper

https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Reg-Flipper-anti-police-no-motor-Euro-license-plate-camera-rotate-flip-number-/162790520480?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10&_mwBanner=1

Infact heres some anti camera spray just in case

https://www.photoblockeruk.com/special/

Do let me know how you get on Thumbs Up
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