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TheDaveStream Two Stroke Sniffer
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Posted: 21:19 - 28 Jan 2018 Post subject: Are helmet cams legal in the UK? (side mount) |
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Ok lets preface this with one massive thing, the camera is not to make a youtube star, the idea behind getting one is two fold 1) if I get in an accident i can prove fault (even if its mine as well i know but more on this in a sec*) 2) security, less likely to be hijacked if I am recording....yeah ok they could just take the camera but its about making yourself a less convenient target.
TL;DR THIS IS NOT AS AN ENTERTAINMENT METHOD
Ok thats out of the way.
There are Three mount points that seem popular for these on your helmet.
Chin (man that looks stupid there, yeah best view but yikes) my helmet design does not allow for that and I dont want the camera where I can see it or get distracted by it.
top of head (the teletubby maker lol) yeah, that just looks strange
side of head (only get partial view as the helmet obscures some but is as close to what you can see as possible.....remember the goal here is to be able to prove I looked where I looked and the prat in the BMW was to blame* )
I Brought one next day delivery yesterday after an incident* and now have it, but I see it is illegal to use one in the usa and australia and maybe the uk? something about it effecting the center of balance?
so is it Illegal? what advice do you have?
*the incident, I am a very new rider so far I have been beeped at three times for daring to do no more than 20 mph in a 20mph limit road. got lost in a one way system and walked my bike across half the city (including one road that may of had licence plate recognition that may believe i was riding and fine me, according to a traffic warden). Then there was what happened yesterday, a bmw (I think, was a little shock up) decided I was going to slow so he drove out in front of me from a left hand turn (I had priority, he was supposed to giveway) I saw him edging out so i slowed a little but still had to do an emergency break and came with in a couple of inches of him. He waved at me with one finger and sped off. (I pulled up and counted limbs)
Now I dont know if I did something that caused him to pull out, or if he was just an arse. I lean towards the latter tbh. but the video would of helped me analyze any mistakes I may of made. It would also of meant that had he of hit me I would of had proof (or my next of kin would if, god forbid, the worse had happened)
Anyway as I say what is the legality and advice. (the one I have is the £29.99 Camkong c180 from amazong)
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Mine mounts R/H side of lid below the visor pivot on the chin guard. Haven't been thrown in jail yet. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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I used the 3M curved surface mount that came with my Ghost to stick it to my lid. I'm not looking forward to attempting
to remove it again, it's stuck fast. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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It's likely to be the very last thing I might think to do in that particular instance. Happen a lot do they? Motorcyclist head fires? ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Ridden for 3 years with a camera on my helmet, smoked/mirrored visors, race exhaust systems and a small numberplate - Only the plate's been a problem. Nothing's ever been said about anything else, you should be fine with a camera |
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Commuter_Tim wrote: | TheDaveStream wrote: |
(jokes aside I have a healthy fear of being in an accident, I say healthy as I do keep a look out for dangers etc. hope no one is offended that were making light of it here a little) |
Stick around a while longer and you will find that generally here there is a zero tolerance policy on becoming offended.
Any signs of weakness and there is a verbal trial by fire until survival or flouncing.
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Wait there`s cats?! awesome.
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Ridden for 3 years with a camera on my helmet, smoked/mirrored visors, race exhaust systems and a small numberplate - Only the plate's been a problem. Nothing's ever been said about anything else, you should be fine with a camera |
Cool, so hard to get good info. Where I work we get the CEO's (Civil Enforcement Officers) come in so was talking about my first trip into the city and how the one way system so confused and stressed me that I decided to walk with the bike to find where I could legally get back on and know where I was. Now I turned off the engine, keys out of the ignition and walked beside the bike, one hand on the handle bar/back brake. other hand on the rack(like i was about to pull it of its stand).
The CEO told me that it was illegal to walk the pavement like that unless the bike was broken down. One road that is only a road at certain times and mostly a large pavement apparently has a license plate camera that I will (according to the CEO) of triggered and will be sending me a fine!
Multiple searches say its legal to ride 17 yards on the pavement if you are heading to a space to park. If you need to go further then you have to do exactly as i did (infact pushing it like I did is spot on, had i straddled the bike and kind of peddled then thats illegal)
Havent posted here about that one as all information says what I did was legal. but on the helmets there was a lot of conflicting information.
Didnt know about the size of the number plate but we did have one at the carpark I guard that the CEO`s got police involved in, basically when the bike was stationary you couldnt read the plate, once engine was on you could, something to do with the vibrations. |
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Posted: 08:59 - 29 Jan 2018 Post subject: |
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For the moment, the UK still works on a permitted-unless-prohibited basis. So please, never again ask if something is "legal". The question is: what offence am I committing by doing it?
What we're looking for is "Authorisation of head-worn appliances for use on motor cycles"
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/18
Which says (tl;dr version ) that if there are regulations prescribing types of head-worn appliances, then it's an offence to wear one of that type which doesn't conform, or to use it other than prescribed.
The only regulations that I can find which reference this offence are to do with "eye protectors".
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/535/made
If anyone reckons that it's totes illegal to slap a camera on your lid, ask them to cite the regulation. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 88 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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