Party Wall agreement (New garage)

[chris-red]

Anyone have any experience of this? I'm getting a garage built at the bottom of my Garden. The back of my garden is a wood fence. Which buts up to another houses' Driveway.

My plan was to have the the back wall of the garage replace the fence. My architect (a mate doing me a massive favour) says I will need a party wall agreement. A quick google suggests this could cost £1-2k!

Fuck that. It would be cheaper to move the garage forward a foot and put a fence up. I'm friendly with the guy behind me I have had a chat with him about it and he says a he would prefer a wall.

I thinking about fucking off the party wall agreement or knocking something up myself. It seems to be more aimed at houses/extensions butting up against each other, rather than a garage wall against a driveway.

Does anyone have any experience with them?

Pics...

https://i.imgur.com/DxTBBnM.png

Fence is question on the left

https://i.imgur.com/hU8z6rU.jpg

The new driveway (The council dry bummed me to do that)


https://i.imgur.com/uhG1Hbw.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/uHtHYWz.jpg

Renders of the garage design.

It will be a decent size. 3.9m x 5.7m x 5.5m x 6.3m [/list]
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[stephen_o]

Do you own the house and land or rent it? If you own it the title deeds and plan will specify which boundaries are your liability. If you are liable for the boundary where the garage is going then I see no issue in you replacing a fence with a garage wall on the boundary. If however it is someone elses liability then yes you will need a party wall agreement as you will be taking responsibility for that part of the boundary.
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[Tracey Suntan-King]

Pyramus & Thysbe innit

https://www.partywalls.org.uk/party_walls_etc_act_explanatory


HTH
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[chris-red]

[Rogerborg]

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[Diggs]

Absolute nightmare if you let it be. You have two options:

1. Employ a suitably qualified Party Wall Surveyor to advise, and hope that it doesn't go to a dispute because you as developer will have to pay all his/her costs. You will be looking at in the region of £100 & VAT per hour.

2. Ignore the Party Wall Act and make sure that whatever you build, the footing is wholly on your land. If your neighbour would prefer a wall, then all should be sweet unless you fall out or he moves and the new owner decides that your wall is having an impact upon his property.

Option No. 1 is what I would advise if you were a Client because it is in your interests to protect yourself, and in mine to avoid a claim for negligence by not doing so.

Option No. 2 is what I would advise a mate in the pub, because it doesn't cost anything unless people fall out or a canny Solicitor picks it up on a conveyance.

If you want to understand what a nightmare the Party Wall Act is, read on:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/party-wall-etc-act-1996-guidance
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[Pete.]

We worked on a project recently where the owner of a big West London house put in a new basement. When they dug down they found that the owners of the adjoining building had done their own basement by employing and under-pinning contractor, who dug under the foundations, as they do, and filled with concrete.

The problem was that they had under-mined the next door property and they not only had to pay the party wall dispute costs but also the cost of diamond wire sawing the over-spill concrete. The bill total was a 6 figure number.

For a garage I would go round and talk to the neighbours. Tell them about your proposed 'improvements', show them a sketch, ask them what they think and if they aren't happy about something ask them what they would like to see. You can get some miserable sods but a most people would be happy with something that makes their own property appear more desirable, such as a nice tidy looking new garage.
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[Pete.]

TBH looking at your mock-up pics if I were a neighbour the only thing that might give me pause for concern is the down-pipe right on the corner adjacent to my block paving. Since the tarmac is already down where's the run-off from the roof going to soak away to?
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[thx1138]

you might be able to get half hours free advise from a chartered surveyor via RICS.

https://www.rics.org/uk/footer/contact-us/rics-consumer-helplines/


Party walls
We can give advice on party walls (walls shared with neighbours) to homeowners and landlords who are unsure of their rights and responsibilities. If you are planning to carry out any building work on your property (e.g. extensions, damp proofing works, structural alterations), you must ensure you are complying with the Party Wall etc Act 1996.

Call +44 (0)24 7686 8555 and you will be put in touch with an RICS member local to you, willing to provide a free 30-minute initial consultation.

[stinkwheel]

Despite being in a terrace. I own all the walls bounding my property on all four sides. Says so and is drawn so in the deeds. They at least did something right when they sold off the council houses by anticipating the potential for extreme pettiness in theri new homeowners and making everything crystal clear from the outset.
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[MCN]

You could call your local Cooncil and ask them. It is free..

Or ask a solicitor. First meeting is 'normally' free too.

You cheapskate..
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[arry]

[Diggs]

MCN:

Council Officers are unlikely to comment on the Party Wall Act. Its not the T & CP Act nor is it something a Building Inspector would get involved in. They are more likely to suggest that you speak to a Party Wall Surveyor.

Solicitors won't answer a question for free - not a sustainable business model. If somebody does get a free half hour, the Solicitor will make sure the potential Client goes away with more questions than answers.

Likewise the suggestion that one can get a free half hour with a RICS Surveyor. Unless the matter is so straightforward that there is no point in trying to reel the potential Client in, a Surveyor will leave the individual 'needing' paid services. Again, to give free advice to the point where a potential Client can resolve a matter on their own isn't a sustainable business model.

It is a very fine balance between helping somebody to the point that they walk away thinking what a fine chap you are and don't come back, and helping them enough so they understand that further (paid) assistance is necessary, and that you are just the person to give it....
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[Rogerborg]

Such pessimism. The chap across the road from my dad got planning permission for a loft-and-garage conversion. When... someone... pointed out to them that he'd also built the best part of an extra house round the back, he was told that he'd have to knock it down, at his cost, or else.

The cunning chap weaselled out of it completely by stalling for years and then finally topping himself, and that was them flummoxed.
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[Diggs]

Topping one's self is a fine stalling tactic (and the ultimate 'exit strategy' for the toppee), but it will not prevent Enforcement Action should the LPA wish to pursue the matter with the gentleman's estate.

If it were the case that an untimely death prevented enforcement action, they'd all be doing it....
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[Rogerborg]

Yehbut, is he bovvered?
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[groovylee]

when i did my extension, i did my own party wall agreement and just asked my neighbour to sign it.

i'll see if i can dig it out
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Citizen's Advice?
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[Rogerborg]

[thx1138]