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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

I think he has a good chance of getting in just because he says what most of the poorer people want to hear.

Big pay rises for public employees, more for the NHS and schools, free houses for everyone, ok, council houses for everyone Wink

. Migrants welcome. Tax everyone through the nose who earns more than he thinks is acceptable.

There are a lot of people with nothing and he is offering is the pot at the end of the rainbow. What's not to like.
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I made that last bit up.
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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

^^^ The huge problem in those days was the shift from one government to another, from very left wing to very right wing. No stability at all.

Also Labour were soft touches for the (then) very powerful unions. We had strikes every other day (nearly), low production, 3 day weeks and it still didn't seem any better for the poor.

It's because of Labour that unions lost all their power. People were so fed up they backed Maggie when she went after the unions and because of that we now have all the bad things with employer power.

Someone somewhere has got to pay for everything except the Labour government it seems. They seem to have a money tree in their headquarters.

Edited to add...

Inflation was ludicrous. Interest rates were up to 15% at one time. Wage rises were in double figures and still didn't keep up with the cost of living.
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I remember when inflation hit 15%. I was in a meeting at the time with a woman who had savings in the building society and we had the radio on. She nearly wet her knickers with excitement, and I nearly cried as I had a big mortgage... It was a spike that lasted just the afternoon if I recall.

Imagine if that happened now - people would be bankrupt instantly and the economy would crash. Youngsters don't know they are born these days (I lived in a shoe-box on the M62 etc etc...).....
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Polarbear · Super Spammer Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Karma :

Yes, interest rates were high under the Tories as well.

The difference being, from what I remember and alluded to by Sid was that the interest rates seemed to be controlled by the Tories compared to the tail wagging the dog in Labours case.

Whether that was true or just good propaganda I have no idea. I'm sure they were all as bad as each other in reality.

In the end, as far as the man in the street is concerned, how he feels is what matters. I remember getting 10%+ pay rises each year which kept me happy but pensioners from what I remember suffered badly.

If interest rates rise to those levels now, ouch! It will make the last crash seem tame.
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During the Thatcher years, the Tories used Monetarist policies in an attempt to control the economy!

Monetarism

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The 70s seemed dominated by power cuts and various extended strikes.
You hardly get that now apart from the last refuges of union power like railways and teachers.

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What do i remember about then.....

Things that stick in my mind from 70's & 80's. Some might not even be correct but it is what I remember.

Well, I remember thinking Harold Wilson must be shagging Barbara Castle for such an incompetent woman to be in the cabinet. Shades of Corbyn and Abbott Laughing

I remember my mother telling me she bought our 14 room Victorian house in Weston-Super-Mare for about £3500 in the early seventies.

The boys at my school used to get the slipper until they were 11 then you got the cane. The girls only got the slipper. Oh for equality Laughing

As a kid, the only time I was allowed to use matches was to light candles when the electricity went off, which it did quite regularly.

I started work as an engineer Officer Cadet in 1973 on £36 a month and could buy a pint of beer for 11p (it was cheap bitter) a packet of fags was about 30p and I think fuel was I think about 40p a gallon. Oh yes, and I got a fuel ration book for my Yamaha YDS7 Laughing

Political bit.....

I remember Thatcher for the obvious reasons but I wasn't very politically minded. As long as I had enough money to enjoy myself I was happy. Things that stand out though.
The miners strike where she destroyed the union. I was totally anti Scargill at the time but everything he accused Thatcher of doing came true. She turned communities against communities. Destroyed the coal industry and turned the police into her own political army with a pretty free reign to break heads.
The Falklands war. She was the one with the guts to do anything about the invasion. When the task force was getting ready, Labour were all about compromise and not going to war. They complained when the sub sank the Belgrano because it 'wasn't doing anything provocative'. We all know what happened but if she hadn't gone to war and won it, she wouldn't have been re elected as her first term was pretty crap and we would have had completely a different 80's.
I remember the outcry when she used the royal 'We' as in 'We are not amused' Laughing

Then there was the poll tax that destroyed her. She became megalomaniacal in the end. An obvious example of power corrupts. I regret to say at start I was pro Thatcher but in hindsight she was a horrible person with vicious policies that ruined the life of thousands. I still cringe that she was given a state funeral. Hey ho, the witch is dead. Thumbs Up

It didn't help the the opposition at the time was Michael Foot who makes Corbyn seem quite sane and middle of the road. There was a huge outcry when he turned up at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday in a scruffy dufflecoat.

I remember Enoch Powell and his 'Rivers of Blood' speech. Things would have been very different if he had become leader of the Tories.

And I voted to join the EU, To become part of a trading group of 12 nations. Funny how things change. Embarassed

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