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andym
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Are some MOT testers just c**ts? Reply with quote

Today I took the ninja for it's 3rd MOT since I've owned it, first one I had to buy a new rear tyre (fair enough), last one I got an advisory on the front discs being slightly worn (should have got one for the fuel tank being loose, but that was sorted with a washer).... today it failed at the only MOT station that's failed my VFR on imaginary problems (warped front discs, but it's passed at 2 other MOT stations with not so much as a word about them and front calipers binding**).

The fail list:
Throttle operating incorrectly (sticking) *dangerous* (the throttle has always been like this, and passed twice previously, but I stripped everything down, greased everything up and it was still sticking.... turns out the bar just needed a clean, or could have been sorted with a quick spray of WD40)

Rear wheel bearings have excessive free play (he thinks it's the one on the left hand side but best to have them all replaced... I asked how much they would be to replace.... "£40+VAT+labo".... "I'll get them online thanks", checked the rear wheel when I got home and didn't notice any movement)

Drive chain excessively loose (OK so the chain was slack, but I wouldn't have thought it was a fail Rolling Eyes )

Also advisories on the rear disc being worn, (in only 1500 miles since the last MOT too), and rear tyre being close to legal limit (which I knew anyway)



** Previously I've taken my VFR there for it's MOT and the brake test that I was shown was to lift the front of the bike, turn the wheel, then pull the lever to the handlebar with more force than would ever be used to stop and if the wheel didn't turn as quickly then the brakes were binding
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine failed on 'supposed' as in not really corroded tyre valves ffs Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought everyone had a friendly bike MOT guy. I've yet to find one that isn't Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the VFR was failed for (what sounds like) a dodgy brake test then why did you go back there?

brake test is on rollers unless a very old set up, in which case a butchers scales and winch on the wall does the job of testing brake force.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought you couldn’t conduct an MOT without a rolling brake tester now? Haven’t seen the old strop and scales set up in over 20 years.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Thought you couldn’t conduct an MOT without a rolling brake tester now? Haven’t seen the old strop and scales set up in over 20 years.


grandfather rights, if the equipment was in place and in use before the change to rollers then it can continue to be used.

If the business closed and re-opened or another opened in the existing premises I think rollers would need to be fitted.

my local place had been on site since the 80's and were using the scales, moved to new premises a few years ago and had to have rollers fitted.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer yes, some are cunts however often when it comes to MOT they're just doing the job, if it's something that can be fixed with a bit of WD40 and adjusting the wheel then do it beforehand.

How clean was your bike? Shouldn't make a difference but it does.

Saying this most of the MOT testers I've come across have been nice and helpful, giving me small things and recommendations to get them through the MOT; split pins, reflector stickers, tips about switches, offering to fix headlight aim etc.

Have you looked into complaining to the VOSA about an unfair failure?
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Thought you couldn’t conduct an MOT without a rolling brake tester now? Haven’t seen the old strop and scales set up in over 20 years.


My local tester still has this stuff.

I don't often go to him, as about 10 miles away is a test affectionately known in my family as Stevie Wonder Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

So. You've listed three fail points. Two of which you admit he was correct (albeit pedantic) about.

So the only thing you're actually arguing about is if the wheel bearing is duff. So. Maybe worth a check to see if he's got 3/3?

Advisories don't matter a damn. Maybe worth measuring your disc?

Remember, if they don't fail enough vehicles, VOSA get all mystery shopper on them. They've even parked round the corner from my local tester, stopped bikes coming out after an MOT and brought them back to inspect. He got hauled up on one "trick" bike they put in for an MOT. It should have failed on a missing o-ring inside the filler cap and slightly off headlamp aim.

So it's actually VOSA that are the cunts.

My local guy likes it when I leave a bike with him, he can fail it on something minor (headlamp aim is a classic), "fix" it then pass it again a couple of hours later.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I thought everyone had a friendly bike MOT guy. I've yet to find one that isn't Thinking

I called to book the Nazi Tractor in today and he pegged me as the chap with the Enfield. That's the sort of place you want. PM for info, DVSA Derek has ears everywhere. Whistle


Fin wrote:
How clean was your bike? Shouldn't make a difference but it does.

... and despite knowing that the BMW is my winter bitch, I've promised to give it its annual rinse down (and might even do so).


stinkwheel wrote:
My local guy likes it when I leave a bike with him, he can fail it on something minor (headlamp aim is a classic), "fix" it then pass it again a couple of hours later.

Now that you mention it, they did check its headlight alignment, once. It's easy adjustable by hand, so I reckon I'll ask if they want it failable. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

My local guy likes it when I leave a bike with him, he can fail it on something minor (headlamp aim is a classic), "fix" it then pass it again a couple of hours later.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
if the VFR was failed for (what sounds like) a dodgy brake test then why did you go back there?


Because it's getting more difficult to find places to MOT bikes in Glasgow.

The one I used to use just got arsey and told me not to go back, so I found another one just round the corner.... when I went there today he told me his bike tester had left and they were waiting for someone else, but the garage 2 doors down have started doing bike MOT's.... when they find someone to do them.

So since I was out on the bike and wanted to get the MOT done, this was the only place I could think of to go.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
So. You've listed three fail points. Two of which you admit he was correct (albeit pedantic) about.

So the only thing you're actually arguing about is if the wheel bearing is duff. So. Maybe worth a check to see if he's got 3/3?

Advisories don't matter a damn. Maybe worth measuring your disc?

Remember, if they don't fail enough vehicles, VOSA get all mystery shopper on them. They've even parked round the corner from my local tester, stopped bikes coming out after an MOT and brought them back to inspect. He got hauled up on one "trick" bike they put in for an MOT. It should have failed on a missing o-ring inside the filler cap and slightly off headlamp aim.

So it's actually VOSA that are the cunts.

My local guy likes it when I leave a bike with him, he can fail it on something minor (headlamp aim is a classic), "fix" it then pass it again a couple of hours later.


I'd have thought the part time tail light or the loose front brake light connection or the verging on yellow indicators would have flagged up something Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my 125 failed for a binding front brake, which they’d charged me £60 to fix the previous week, when they’d failed me for a binding front brake.
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:

I'd have thought the part time tail light or the loose front brake light connection or the verging on yellow indicators would have flagged up something Thinking


Possibly. But if they worked for the 5 seconds they were being tested for, he can't fail them.

Quite possibly he looked at it and thought "It's hanging, I can't let it out of here with a pass in case vosa pull him down the road." and failed it on something relatively minor.

Remember, next test, he only has to look at the things it failed on. Plausible deniability.

A mate of mine had a bike pass on its third attempt with 17 advisories. He's had to continue on the back in biro because there wasn't space in the box for all of them.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
The one I used to use just got arsey and told me not to go back

What did you do to irritate them, question their MOTs? Smile
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Thought you couldn’t conduct an MOT without a rolling brake tester now? Haven’t seen the old strop and scales set up in over 20 years.


Many still do without the rolling brake tester...
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only used two different testers for all my bikes, both really good.

The one in Congleton made me a brew and we had a chat about his other bikes in there while he pushed and pulled and prodded and passed it. Albeit that was on the 2012 1250...

The one in wheelock spent about 10 mins on the 2002 bandit - pressed the horn (after market air horn) and it failed to "horn" the compressor just whirred. There's me expecting to have to get underneath it and rewire the original horn just for the mot........ but no. "It makes an audible sound mate - that's fine) 😂👍
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Re: Are some MOT testers just c**ts? Reply with quote

andym wrote:
Are some MOT testers just c**ts?


Yes, Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Are some MOT customers just C**ts? Reply with quote

MOTTesterBob wrote:
The life of an MOT tester is difficult. If it's not for the DVSA coming after you, it's the fact that you get paid jack all for doing essential safety checks. I'm not strict, but I don't compromise when it comes to safety.

So I had this guy come in for an MOT today. He seemed like a nice chap but you can tell he does all his own maintenance. I ignored loads of issues with his bike including a lack of rear reflector, but as I said, I'm strict on safety. I found that his throttle was sticking, the rear wheel bearings were worn, and his chain was slack. I might have let the chain go, but it was clear there were other safety concerns, so I couldn't let him get away with it. When I issued the fail, he started arguing the toss and saying I was being too strict. A rear wheel bearing collapse is not funny, and could be a danger to other road users, not just the rider of the bike. Similarly with a sticky throttle. All it would have taken is a bit of grease under the twist grip and maybe some oil on the cables, but he still argued. I can understand him not noticing the wheel bearings, but the slack chain was not acceptable. I even offered to sell him the bearings at cost plus labour, but he thought I was trying to rip him off! Imagine if he was a DVSA inspector, I'd have my license revoked and I'd be down the job centre faster than you can say 'public liability'.

It's a shame really, because I'd like to let Darwin decide for these people, but at the end of the day their safety is my responsibility, and I don't want someones death or injury on my conscience, not to mention losing my job.

I might get out of the MOT game, it's just too much hassle.

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PostPosted: 23:27 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="stinkwheel"]
andym wrote:


A mate of mine had a bike pass on its third attempt with 17 advisories. He's had to continue on the back in biro because there wasn't space in the box for all of them.


My uncle has a garage specialising in old Land Rovers, I saw one recent MOT fail that was waiting for it's turn on the ramp with it's advisories and fails spanning 3 pages, commenting on this my uncle said "that's one of the good ones, usually it's 9 pages"
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 05 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there are twunts out there - One local has a reputation (Well deserved) for failing anything that isn't shiny, stock or a restoration. Outright told me not to bring one of mine to him, he'd fail it. Sure this one is about to have VOSA crawl up his arse though, I know of 3 complaints made about him, with the bikes passing in various other places, untouched.

I have a Friendly tester the rat goes to - He's the polar opposite, if it's safe and he knows you look after/maintain it, it get's a ticket. He gives no fvcks about looks, noise etc. Has a wicked fast Turbo'd GSXR750 Survival bike.
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PostPosted: 00:55 - 06 Feb 2018    Post subject: Re: Are some MOT testers just c**ts? Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
andym wrote:
Are some MOT testers just c**ts?


Yes, Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 08:58 - 06 Feb 2018    Post subject: Re: Are some MOT testers just c**ts? Reply with quote

andym wrote:
Shabby bike mate, plz motted it thx

tester wrote:
Shabby bike mate, get to fuck

andym wrote:
Butbutbut it passed last year

It's a test, not 2 hours labour and consumables. The bloke gets next to bugger all for doing it. I'm not surprised the need for work gets found, but you're setting yourself up for it if it looks iffy.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 06 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT testing is not personality contest.
The testers test based on the guidelines set by government (after many years of testing and what is felt should be a minimum standard.)

Christ only know what sort of shite would grace our highways if there was no control.


I am more than happy with the standard.
I have had a few vehicles fail but the fail is IN MY OWN INTEREST it is not to make money for the garage or as a personal slight.
The vehicles had safety defects I was not aware of. The faults were remedied, vehicles re-tested and I was on my way again (personality intact).

If you take a ram-shack to a test station then please, please, I beg God that it fails if it is not safe.

Because of testing we do not have carnage on our roads like they do in other Shite-hole countries where safety is not a personal concern.

FFS, there is no rocket surgery required to prepare a motorcycle for an MOT test.
And it is the same test for a 7 BHP bike as it is for a 200 BHP bike.
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