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Hasujek
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Min. Brake Disc for MOT Reply with quote

Hi, I am preparing my CBR125 for MOT and been told by a garage that my rear disc is below the limit (3.5mm?). Checked myself and the corner of it is 3.6mm but it's more worn on the inside, roughly about 3.3/4mm. My question is what is the minimum for the MOT as can't find anywhere on internet. I am selling the bike soon and don't want to spend ££ on new disc.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The limit for mot is what the tester regards as "excessive", for the purposes of the test that would be so worn that failure is imminent. things stamped on it or makers specs are irrellevant.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minimum varies for each disc. Even between brands for the same model. It's marked on the disc.

Excessively worn brake disc is a fail.

It's a numbers game. The only way it ought to pass if it'sthinner than the markings is if the tester doesn't notice. You could chance your hand and change the disc if it fails. many places do a free retest within a week (but not all of them so check).
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamble on a used disc = £15
Throw in a new Chinesium disc = £25 (last one on eBay) then £35
Cost of retest = £0 or £15 or £30 if you prevaricate.

There's no obviously right answer since we don't know how strict your MOT tester is, or what condition the rest of the bike is in - it might well fail on something else.

Do you feel lucky, punk?
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a safety item, it's not worth the risk. The minimum thickness on the disc is really the minimum thickness of the disc. If you want to ride the bike like that, it's your own risk, but I wouldn't ever sell a bike in that state as roadworthy.

As an aside, I don't recall ever in my nearly 20 years of riding having worn a disc past the wear limit. I've warped a few, and I've scored a few, and I've had things like theft attempts that damaged discs, but I've never worn it to death like that.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wearing the rear brake disc below the minimum limit on a CBR125 must have taken some effort! Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Wearing the rear brake disc below the minimum limit on a CBR125 must have taken some effort! Laughing


Almost 36k miles on the clock with almost 40% of commuting is with pillion haha.

Anyway thanks for answers, I've been to the MOT tester before and he did not seem to bothered much apart from basics. Will probably replace the disc as only about £20 off ebay for 2nd hand.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasujek wrote:
Almost 36k miles on the clock with almost 40% of commuting is with pillion haha.

In that case, you need to get yourself a bigger bike. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Hasujek wrote:
Almost 36k miles on the clock with almost 40% of commuting is with pillion haha.

In that case, you need to get yourself a bigger bike. Wink


Age restrictions, cannot have anything bigger before this April hence why I am getting the 125 for sale.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You actually did the A1 tests? Good chap (or lady-chap). Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most disks have the min thickness stamped on them. 4.5 mm is a norm and that's the disk, not the rim, so if the tester has failed it on that point you need a replacement.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 22 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You actually did the A1 tests? Good chap (or lady-chap). Thumbs Up


Makes life so much easier then being on a CBT, especially most of my commuting is motorway Very Happy yeah motorway on a 125, but really prepares you for the 'big bike' and makes it easier to pass future tests + no need to renew CBT.

Anyway apparently the disc comes at 4mm, but buying a brand new one seems pointless if I am not keeping the bike long therefore second hand eBay should do. Cool
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 23 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most honda's share the same disc setup, maybe not on a 125 but almost all 4 bolt rears are the same part, so plenty of almost unused ones on ebay.

The min limit might seem silly, 4.5mm (on mine) is a lot of metal, however it is very common for them to crack (unsure if disc lock or weakness from drilling, Ive got two in the spares box that came with bikes).
At 80k miles I changed on the cbr6 and it was well under the min at 3.3mm. I think the new one was 5 or 5.5mm, much less than I expected.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 23 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasujek wrote:
Ste wrote:
Wearing the rear brake disc below the minimum limit on a CBR125 must have taken some effort! Laughing


Almost 36k miles on the clock with almost 40% of commuting is with pillion haha.


Not to question your motorcycle skills, but are you sure the brake is working properly, not dragging, you are not keeping your foot on the pedal while riding and most importantly there is still meat on the pads? Even if the brake was dragging and your foot was staying on the pedal, the brake pads compound is still much softer than the brake disc. I'm just curious what, how, eh? I mean, overheating and warping a brake disc is simple enough, but grind it, and especially the rear one, below the minimum thickness in 36k miles? Thinking

Wearing a brake disc on a motorcycle to the point it's a scrap metal is something I have never seen, in my entire life. A friend of mine even has a '99 Fireblade with nearly 60k on the clock with original brake discs (all three), I've never had to change a brake disc on any motorcycles due to wear. Even in cars it takes a lot of miles/time to wear the rotors to the minimum thickness or just a mechanically challenged driver. Yes, I do realise car brake rotors are a bit thicker.
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PostPosted: 03:47 - 23 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr rhyno.

My scooter eats a brake disc each 30,000km.

My Toyota car gets 100,000km to a set of discs.

W203 Benz with v6 I get 80/100,000km.

I've been replacing front disc on mum's Virago every 30/40,000.

Can I buy your invincible discs?
Maybe I'm just an idiot for machining the discs when I change pads?
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 23 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:


Not to question your motorcycle skills, but are you sure the brake is working properly, not dragging, you are not keeping your foot on the pedal while riding and most importantly there is still meat on the pads? Even if the brake was dragging and your foot was staying on the pedal, the brake pads compound is still much softer than the brake disc. I'm just curious what, how, eh? I mean, overheating and warping a brake disc is simple enough, but grind it, and especially the rear one, below the minimum thickness in 36k miles? Thinking

Wearing a brake disc on a motorcycle to the point it's a scrap metal is something I have never seen, in my entire life. A friend of mine even has a '99 Fireblade with nearly 60k on the clock with original brake discs (all three), I've never had to change a brake disc on any motorcycles due to wear. Even in cars it takes a lot of miles/time to wear the rotors to the minimum thickness or just a mechanically challenged driver. Yes, I do realise car brake rotors are a bit thicker.


I've already been questioned about leaving my foot on the brake. The answer is no I always make sure I take my foot off and don't hover around it. Always check the pads and there was only 1 time I went a little low with them where they started scraping. Not sure how previous owners used the bike as bought it with 18k miles but as I said previously a lot of my riding is with pillion which increases wear, and obviously it's a 125 their pads or discs probably wear of easily.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 23 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberkron wrote:
Mr rhyno.

My scooter eats a brake disc each 30,000km.

My Toyota car gets 100,000km to a set of discs.

W203 Benz with v6 I get 80/100,000km.

I've been replacing front disc on mum's Virago every 30/40,000.

Can I buy your invincible discs?
Maybe I'm just an idiot for machining the discs when I change pads?


Well, the machining sure takes some life out of the discs prematurely. Thinking

Invincible discs? Well not sure, I'd say some from Nissin and Tokico. Thinking

Why do you do the machining/skimming?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 24 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because my brake lathe cost alot and I find the brake pads work well when not riding on the glaze of past pads.

I don't warranty a brake job if rotors aren't replaced or machined.

Neither will my suppliers of brake pads.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 24 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

uberkron wrote:
Because my brake lathe cost alot and I find the brake pads work well when not riding on the glaze of past pads.

I don't warranty a brake job if rotors aren't replaced or machined.

Neither will my suppliers of brake pads.


Say no more, thank you for your time. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 24 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasujek wrote:
I've already been questioned about leaving my foot on the brake. The answer is no I always make sure I take my foot off and don't hover around it. Always check the pads and there was only 1 time I went a little low with them where they started scraping. Not sure how previous owners used the bike as bought it with 18k miles but as I said previously a lot of my riding is with pillion which increases wear, and obviously it's a 125 their pads or discs probably wear of easily.


That's the stuff. Metal on metal grinding can ruin a perfectly healthy brake disc in several miles. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 26 Feb 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. I make my living running a workshop, so there's more to my trade than just spending as little as possible.

I understand for the home mechanic it is different.
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