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PostPosted: 23:27 - 03 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It already exists. Don't bother.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 03 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dguard.com/en/dguard/worlds-first-ecall-system-motorcycles

Do you work for BMW?

https://www.cycleworld.com/bmw-introduces-ecall-system

If not, you're wasting your time. Whatever system they use will be mandated for all bikes in the EU within a few years.
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not work for BMW.

The device will be out this summer and will be adaptable to any motorcycle. I was looking at other features to add on.

Thank you for your responses.
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PostPosted: 02:45 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

werescuecorp wrote:
The device will be out this summer and will be adaptable to any motorcycle. I was looking at other features to add on.

Mount it to some sort of device that clears rain from your visor.
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PostPosted: 03:43 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't there already an app or something that automatically sends out a 'help' message if you don't move in a while? I'm sure I read it somewhere.

Found it -

https://www.realrider.com/

Costs though.
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PostPosted: 09:14 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Ecall Reply with quote

According to website(s) everyone has developed the world's 'first' safety system!
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

werescuecorp wrote:
I do not work for BMW.

The device will be out this summer and will be adaptable to any motorcycle. I was looking at other features to add on.

Thank you for your responses.


It probably needs something to keep rain off your visor, a sort of wiper if you will.............
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Re: Ecall Reply with quote

Kentol750 wrote:
According to website(s) everyone has developed the world's 'first' safety system!


Some would even assume that in the era of the Internet, people would do a very short, cost free, research before they even start developing something, that already has been developed.

The internet isn't just a youbook and porno provider. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does it know you've crashed?

How do you prevent false alarms (bike gets reversed over by a wagon while parked, falls over in the back of the van)?

I presume it is self-powered and entirely autonamous from the bikes systems or at a minimum places no drain on the bikes battery when it's off? If it uses the bikes electrics to charge, how well does it play with canbus?

Is this mobile or satellite based? There are areas of the country which still have zero mobile coverage. Often the exact areas where a motorcycle crash would be likely to go unobserved.

How does it know where you are? Does it have built-in GPS or are you relying on mobile phone type positioning for which there is even poorer coverage?

Also how does it let the emergency services know? I've seen several emergency call systems but they all rely on contacting a third party in the first instance who then dispatch the emergency services on your behalf.

Which neatly brings us to. Standing charge. What we looking at? If it's SIM based, it'll need to ping the service every so often to keep the number "alive" and that SIM will need topping up periodically. If there is a third party call centre, what are they charging? Wont be cheap.

I know a SPOT device costs a MINIMUM of £30 a year on top of the purchase price.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh! except that you have a handlebar-mounted control cube.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUkJPi5FDZw/?taken-by=werescuecorp
You should liaise with Adam Aarons of Rainpal.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. It sends a text.

Did you know you need to register your number in advance to send emergency texts in the UK?
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Isn't there already an app or something that automatically sends out a 'help' message if you don't move in a while? I'm sure I read it somewhere.

Found it -

https://www.realrider.com/

Costs though.


I was going to say it costs for something simple but it's not even a purchase but an actual subscription. :confused:

It's like the type of smart bike alarm/tracker that should be available as a kit to send a text message and location if the bike sensed it was being checked out or being stolen.

Or something similar to a fitbit to measure heart rate and movement without the high cost.

Or even an ECG kit and basic script to summarise the data.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Is this mobile or satellite based? There are areas of the country which still have zero mobile coverage. Often the exact areas where a motorcycle crash would be likely to go unobserved.

Exactly - I spend a lot of my biking life on roads like that, and I'll be honest, the thought of ending up immobilised and hidden in a ditch on the moors is an issue for me. But the lack of coverage out there is the main reason why I never bothered signing up for www.realrider.com. Would need to be sat-phone based to be of interest to me; however I'm sure the cost would then be prohibitive.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Trac wrote:

Bike Down Alerts
In case that you have an accident, your BikeTrac unit will detect that your bike is down and automatically notify your contacts.

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PostPosted: 16:05 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
Is this mobile or satellite based? There are areas of the country which still have zero mobile coverage. Often the exact areas where a motorcycle crash would be likely to go unobserved.

Exactly - I spend a lot of my biking life on roads like that, and I'll be honest, the thought of ending up immobilised and hidden in a ditch on the moors is an issue for me. But the lack of coverage out there is the main reason why I never bothered signing up for www.realrider.com. Would need to be sat-phone based to be of interest to me; however I'm sure the cost would then be prohibitive.


https://www.findmespot.eu/en/

Doesn't self activate though. You've got to push a button.

I've been seriously considering one for my canoeing as my expeditions get more adventurous.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
lack of coverage out there is the main reason why I never bothered signing up for www.realrider.com. Would need to be sat-phone based to be of interest to me; however I'm sure the cost would then be prohibitive.

https://www.findmespot.eu/en/
Doesn't self activate though. You've got to push a button.
I've been seriously considering one for my canoeing as my expeditions get more adventurous.

Yeah, that's the sort of thing, but would really need to activate automatically for bike use. Otherwise - as far as I can see - you might as well just buy an emergency satphone - the minimum monthly running costs seem to be comparable (£18-20?); but still too much anyway.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of those lanyard type kill switches that seemed to be used in racing would be handy.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes your device better than the others already on the market?
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 04 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What makes your device better than the others already on the market?


He can make promise after promise after promise after promise, and not have to deliver. Just like RainPal.
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PostPosted: 05:45 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
How does it know you've crashed?


Our device is equipped with sensors to detect any crash

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How do you prevent false alarms (bike gets reversed over by a wagon while parked, falls over in the back of the van)?


When you turn on your motorcycle, the device turns on too and when you turn it off, the device will continue working for 5 min. If you crash and you're okay you can cancel the emergency call. And if you need help you just have to press the main button and we will send you rescue teams.

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I presume it is self-powered and entirely autonamous from the bikes systems or at a minimum places no drain on the bikes battery when it's off? If it uses the bikes electrics to charge, how well does it play with canbus?


You have to plug the device to your motorcycle battery / low-beam lighting circuit.

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Is this mobile or satellite based? There are areas of the country which still have zero mobile coverage. Often the exact areas where a motorcycle crash would be likely to go unobserved.


We use mobile coverage for a few reasons: first we use all network providers available to get the best connection, you have to know too that if you're in a no mobile area and try to contact 911 / 112 your mobile phone will try to reach this number using other network providers. If we were using satellite coverage the monthly fee would be much more expensive and the device would be much bigger too. We wanted something discreet on the handlebar, not an ugly brick.


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How does it know where you are? Does it have built-in GPS or are you relying on mobile phone type positioning for which there is even poorer coverage?


Everything is built-in, so you don't have to link it to your phone or anything else, and our device is optimized to get a better connection than smartphone.

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Also how does it let the emergency services know? I've seen several emergency call systems but they all rely on contacting a third party in the first instance who then dispatch the emergency services on your behalf.


When there is a crash, we get notified and we call back the device to know what happened, to get more info, who is involved / injured... And then we contact the emergency services.


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Which neatly brings us to. Standing charge. What we looking at? If it's SIM based, it'll need to ping the service every so often to keep the number "alive" and that SIM will need topping up periodically. If there is a third party call centre, what are they charging? Wont be cheap.


For the US there will be a yearly fee of $30, that's all. You won't have to take care of the sim, or the call center, we will take care of it.

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I know a SPOT device costs a MINIMUM of £30 a year on top of the purchase price.


Services like this one are more expensive than £30 per year, they are usually between $12-$18 per month...
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PostPosted: 05:58 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What makes your device better than the others already on the market?


. You don't need to have a cellphone, everything is built-in.
. You don't need to charge its battery or doing anything else. Once the device is mounted, you forget about it. it's autonomous. You plug it in and ride.
. We do not collect any DATA! for me this is the most important thing, if you crash at 200 km/h or at 20 km/h we won't report it to your insurance company or anyone else; the device can't record any data like your speed or your gps location. No-one can track you!
. Having your smartphone in your jacket when you ride is pretty cool to take some pictures but if you crash it can hurt you badly...
. You smartphone will drain its own battery, not our device.
. It's adaptable to any motorcycles, even if you ride a moped...
. Its kick ass design.


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PostPosted: 06:03 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Isn't there already an app or something that automatically sends out a 'help' message if you don't move in a while? I'm sure I read it somewhere.

Found it -

https://www.realrider.com/

Costs though.


There are some indeed, but our device does not rely on any app. Explained above.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

werescuecorp wrote:
Ste wrote:
What makes your device better than the others already on the market?

[Lists features that are the same as dguard]

We've already provided a link. Didn't you see it? Were you too lazy to read it? Or are you pretending that it doesn't exist? Here it is again:

https://www.dguard.com/en/dguard-your-life-your-bike

Now: what distinguishes your imaginary device from dguard®, a device that already exists?

Is it that your device won't work as a tracker to help recover stolen bikes? Wow, such feature, very value.

You've clearly not done a jot of market research, and I noticed how you switched from talking in the singular and future tense to the plural and present tense. That's an Aaronsian® trick which makes you look like a deluded gobshite who will never deliver a single thing beyond broken promises and salty ego-rants.

I hope this free and frank sharing of views has been helpful to you.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

werescuecorp wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Isn't there already an app or something that automatically sends out a 'help' message if you don't move in a while? I'm sure I read it somewhere.

Found it -

https://www.realrider.com/

Costs though.


There are some indeed, but our device does not rely on any app. Explained above.


Why is having an app on your phone an issue. Everyone carries a mobile now, it's in your pocket all the time,

My RAC app tells the RAC control centre exactly where I am. The AA one did the same. Also your phone already has a built in accelerometer and GPS, no extra cost.

I'm sorry, unless cheap as chips, ie a one off cost, I really can't see why I would want it.
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