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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 05 Mar 2018    Post subject: What's this hub off? Reply with quote

A while back, I bought a disc brake front wheel with caliper, bracket and master cylinder on ebay for my Enfield project. It was £140 delivered. Described as "Royal Enfield front wheel"

I just got it out to have a proper look and try it on the bike... It's not Royal Enfield. It has, however, been made to fit a Royal Enfield.

I've tracked down the brake calliper as being a Brembo, 2-pot opposed caliper used on K-series BMWs and some 70s/80's Moto Guzzi Californians and V50s.

It's been fitted with a profiled steel bracket which has been well made, it fitted like a glove and lined the disc up bang in the centre of the caliper.

So that's ok. I can get parts/pads for it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e0vrvx0Ap0YnzDpeJfIZacb4MR5JXw1lfFIFWLPAQVYED7vLz4exm7V5QX2AjyJtu2iuzFCnB8kzhB5LXBqc4jUx6kBsqkyacD0uWV8MgL0dSICBHUMLGNuGmxFefVwcUozoSBPwQA=w1180-h885-no

The magura master cylinder/throttle assembly looks like it's off a K-series BMW.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/tw8WxItWJ5oRXg1MyLGTtQUegQMgPCPdNWSiIf1eAHQTG3ELSHdSjmjg60VxzFFLZ30r1gItx8uc61dbjLPtZKIJEUy4ZC23M0VsyEQcSTc1bIowN0q6UsYpeWaVETN7oCXPuT_ngw=w1180-h885-no

The hub though. I have no idea about. Enfields have the axle built into the wheel hub (a bit like a bicycle) and it bolts into the fork rather than sliding the spindle through a hole in the fork ends and bolting it up. This hub has presumably been modified (bearings, spacers etc) to take an Enfield wheel spindle assembly. This hub also has an Enfield speedo drive attached.

The offset disc carrier is oddball as is the means of attaching it. The carrier bolts onto the disc, not the other way round. The inner circle of drillings in the disc is threaded. I have seen pictures of late 70's Moto Guzzis with a similar setup but on an un-drilled disc.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4zailrcEsgYprtn_GwScmxq-29uHuHHqroKu5-0B2qF_VeL4aEBq8Xbh4H1S-E1yAOictlmLXejzxbvaOE4zfpIROcgxqDh6jzfgVZBHxkXeImJ4h0pMzhiKuG_-uH92BekbzCP_kQ=w1180-h885-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_ReroqBsblQFXxfgKwVeRR4RlGjzlLaj1THtpm93GPP4k1DQOP_6s97u9yKxylklpjunJgAMOgEhgoOGAtLdGJ1DY5tPlbKo9HA5Z4iEWTkgtrc3pKOrdXXUqVvCxYFJMgukZK-ZMA=w1180-h885-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QwjZACV9ymJ3pQZc_c4fVHMqxIMpBKT13Ltjb3MH-NbwyXOfQZvONaLbTemwSw9BYOXKQMjNxG1Sl1S48hRO40bW6etrQmvgt04fL5gP9n-uXQKzEgDlITWJWstEI4zDlGD7NR7ouQ=w1180-h885-no

Be nice to know what it's off. If not just for idle curiosity, then so I can get a replacement disc in the unlikely event I ever wear this one out.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 06 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a 80's BMW K/R series setup. Thinking

https://d24b7s7vgwc3p7.cloudfront.net/MDWPYMG9/NNBM22/DQL5-Resized640x480.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 06 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rotor carrier still puzzles me. I could not find the combination of your carrier with 4 mounting bolts and bolt-on rotor. But the BMW one seems like the best match, so far at least.
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 06 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm seriously wondering if the rotor is custom made.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 08 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The master cylinder assembly is Guzzi, doesn’t look anything like K series as they have clear reservoirs and k’s have gear and chain throttles.

https://ricambiepocanewoldstock.altervista.org/IT/_private/ricambi_moto/foto/guzzi_usati_3/Gruppo_manopola_gas_freno_Guzzi_California_III-3.jpg

It does look like someone got creative with guzzi spares.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 08 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

We were trying to find the origins of the rotor.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 08 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the 4-bolt hub that's the odd thing. Can't find a guzzi that uses only 4 bolts to hold the carrier to the hub. BMW do.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 08 Mar 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

now I've woken up and had a coffee, it does resemble a Triumph T140 brake disc.

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I've had a skim, triumphs, some older BMW's and hondas use a similar 4 bolt patter for their discs. The R80 and R100GS had single disc hubs I think, but they don't look like that.
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