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| chickenstrip wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
Again? If it didn't sink in the first few times, it's hardly worth bothering.
Salisbury, Syria, it's all about 2 proposed gas pipelines to supply Europe. We don't want the Russian/Syrian one, they do. We want the Quatar/Turkish one. We have to demonise Russia and Assad and influence the civil war in Syria to stop them building the one we, the EU and the US don't want.
If you can't see through the propaganda over this, do you want to buy any magic beans? |
Just for the record, I am not entirely convinced that the Douma attack was a chemical attack by the Syrian regime. I agree that the arguments against it are strong, and have yet to see evidence confirming it. That doesn't mean to say that western governments don't have stronger evidence, but the jury is still out for me. I'm just happy that the tripartite missile 'retaliation' didn't develop into a wider conflict.
What I wanted you to lay out for me was specifically how the Skripal poisoning being close to Porton Down means that it wasn't a Russian sponsored attempted killing, and exactly who and how you suggest did it? I get the impression that you mean it was done on the orders of the UK government? So how would that have played out in your view?
I would also like to know how you propose the various murders of Russian journalists, ex-intelligence agents and businessmen opposed to Putin are connected with oil and gas pipeline building in the middle East and elsewhere. Do you think that all these murders (or deaths in unexplained circumstances, if you prefer) are directly connected to it? I would like to see some examples of individuals and how the one influences the other. As I have said, Russian affairs interest me, so I would prefer to read something more in-depth than a news headline or two.
Why do we need to stop the Russians from building a pipeline through Syria? Why not just go ahead with our own preferred choice and just not 'plug in' to a Russian/Syrian one for Europe? I fully admit that I am not very conversant with the details of proposed oil and gas supply options to Europe, so perhaps you could fill me in a little, with some references I can go to, to find out more for myself (again, preferably something a little more in-depth than a couple of articles in the news media, although if they point me to further such reading, that'd be useful), and preferably also something that is not partisan within the politics of the thing, but lays out all the proposed options with their advantages and disadvantages to each party involved.
Personally, I think Russia is quite good at demonising itself on the world stage, without western aid in the matter, but I also think that if Putin is going to play hard ball, western governments are quite within their rights to respond in kind. At least I have yet to see any evidence that we carry out murders of people opposed to our views on Russian soil with agents that could potentially harm many innocent people. I know of not one case of this that the west has been accused of, and is widely reported - perhaps you know otherwise? I am happy to read such if you do. |
You're not serious are you? Do you read any of this thread before asking the same questions again and again and again?
The reasons for Russia involved in Salisbury being hard to believe have been trotted out several times.
As for not understanding the conflict of interest between the two pipelines, you're not serious are you? Which bit don't you understand about Russia wanting more control over the Europe's gas supply and the UK/EU/US wanting Europe to be less dependant on Russia, at a time where both Russia and the EU want control of Ukraine?
I presume you're just joking to get a response now?
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You're not serious are you? Do you read any of this thread before asking the same questions again and again and again?
The reasons for Russia involved in Salisbury being hard to believe have been trotted out several times.
As for not understanding the conflict of interest between the two pipelines, you're not serious are you? Which bit don't you understand about Russia wanting more control over the Europe's gas supply and the UK/EU/US wanting Europe to be less dependant on Russia, at a time where both Russia and the EU want control of Ukraine?
I presume you're just joking to get a response now? |
Please indulge me and answer the questions I have asked in that post, or ignore me totally if you prefer. I'm not interested in emotional responses from you.
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| Fizzoid wrote: | | Monkeywrencher wrote: | while allowing and possibly even using chemical weapons on civilian populations |
| mpd72 wrote: | Shit the bed? You have proof?! Where? Better tell May, she has none. |
She doesn't? Do you have proof of this? |
When you have "proof", you don't refer blame as "probably", "highly likely" or "alledgedly".
Considering no inspectors have yet been on the ground, the only intelligence likely held by the government, will be the word of a single Assad hating campaigner from his bedroom in Coventry, aka the EU and UK funded "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights", who claims to have 4, yes four, people on the ground across the whole of Syria.
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| Monkeywrencher wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
It's hardly a new tactic in International politics is it? Every sodding war we enter is about oil or gas, with some lame terrorism/WMD's excuse banded over it. If you haven't worked that out by now, there is no hope. |
As it ever has been, if you needed to "work it out" then I don't know what to tell you, anyone with a moderate grasp of world events can see that as plain as day.
The question is why do you want Putin, Who is playing exactly the same game as we are, to win? |
Because Europe is being invaded by millions of intolerant Islamic migrants and changed for the worse, using events like Syria as an excuse.
We've meddled in several countries out there and only made the problem worse, every time we try ot displace a dictator and replace them with our failed version of democracy. Even the EU see Islamic extremism as the biggest threat to Europe today.
Putin was helping Assad almost win, putting an end to the war and death, plus defeating ISIS in the process. Now we're got involved, this shit will drag on for years and Britain will be Islamified in my lifetime.
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The proximity of Porton Down in my view has nothing to do with the Skripal poisoning case. Even the fact that the Skripal's have (thus far) survived, likely isn't the most important thing to the Russians in my view. Any harm done by him passing on Russian state secrets will already have been done ages ago, given the amount of time Skripal has resided in the UK. This is what makes me think that it was first and foremost about reinforcing the message regarding what happens to traitors. That message is clear, mission accomplished. They might have preferred it if it had killed him, perhaps Putin is even gnashing his teeth at the failure to do that, but I think that will be seen as a detail by him in retrospect. The person or persons who actually 'applied' the agent have not been caught, which gives him the plausible deniability which is desirable when dealing with western accusations.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | The proximity of Porton Down in my view has nothing to do with the Skripal poisoning case. |
No, it was probably shear effing coincidence, that the only place in the UK to store and deal with nerve agents, just happened to be the next village.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Even the fact that the Skripal's have (thus far) survived, likely isn't the most important thing to the Russians in my view. Any harm done by him passing on Russian state secrets will already have been done ages ago, given the amount of time Skripal has resided in the UK. This is what makes me think that it was first and foremost about reinforcing the message regarding what happens to traitors. |
What's that? The British cock up an assassination attempt and try to pin it on the Russians? Or are Russia trying to reinforce the message that all traitors will be out of hospital and making a full recovery in a couple of weeks? I'm sure they could have found a better way to get the message across, such as, you know, killing him.
| chickenstrip wrote: | That message is clear, mission accomplished. |
Yeah, the blokes alive and the UK/EU/US now have an excuse to create an enemy of Russia. So much so, that thry can now use Syria as a proxy war to derail the Syrian/Russian gas pipeline plan to supply Europe.
| chickenstrip wrote: | They might have preferred it if it had killed him, |
They also might have killed him if they wanted him dead.
| chickenstrip wrote: | perhaps Putin is even gnashing his teeth at the failure to do that, |
Perhaps the Earth is also flat?
| chickenstrip wrote: | but I think that will be seen as a detail by him in retrospect. The person or persons who actually 'applied' the agent have not been caught, which gives him the plausible deniability which is desirable when dealing with western accusations. |
No way? So you're saying the British haven't found the people who apparently, poisoned the bloke, 6 miles from the only place in the country where the British store this stuff?
What are the chances of that eh?
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Why do we need to stop the Russians from building a pipeline through Syria? Why not just go ahead with our own preferred choice and just not 'plug in' to a Russian/Syrian one for Europe? I fully admit that I am not very conversant with the details of proposed oil and gas supply options to Europe, so perhaps you could fill me in a little, with some references I can go to, to find out more for myself (again, preferably something a little more in-depth than a couple of articles in the news media, although if they point me to further such reading, that'd be useful), and preferably also something that is not partisan within the politics of the thing, but lays out all the proposed options with their advantages and disadvantages to each party involved.
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The Pipe always has to go through Syria, that's the rub, we want it to start in Qatar where we have an Influence, Assad has only approved one starting from Iran where putin has influence and they hate America.
This link seems to best fit...
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/is-the-fight-over-a-gas-pipeline-fuelling-the-worlds-bloodiest-conflict/news-story/74efcba9554c10bd35e280b63a9afb74
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| mpd72 wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | The proximity of Porton Down in my view has nothing to do with the Skripal poisoning case. |
No, it was probably shear effing coincidence, that the only place in the UK to store and deal with nerve agents, just happened to be the next village. |
No coincidence at all.
As I mentioned early on in this thread. One of the ways Skripal earned a living was by lecturing/training British military personel on the workings of the Russian espionage machine. Those lectures are usually done in the vicinity of Sailsbury, one of the main military training areas in the UK.
As it happens, they also like to keep the main NBC weapons research and decomissioning facility close by to high concentrations of military bases and close to the firing ranges and exercise areas where the things were initially tested (which yeild the largest number of unexploded chemical shells that need to be decomissioned, some dating back to WW1).
Like most people, Skripal chose to live near his place of work.
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https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-Natural-Gas-Lines-could-help-build-European-pipeline-539657
Is this a viable alternative? Could Israel be used to bypass Syria?
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No coincidence at all.
As I mentioned early on in this thread. One of the ways Skripal earned a living was by lecturing/training British military personel on the workings of the Russian espionage machine. Those lectures are usually done in the vicinity of Sailsbury, one of the main military training areas in the UK.
As it happens, they also like to keep the main NBC weapons research and decomissioning facility close by to high concentrations of military bases and close to the firing ranges and exercise areas where the things were initially tested (which yeild the largest number of unexploded chemical shells that need to be decomissioned, some dating back to WW1).
Like most people, Skripal chose to live near his place of work. |
I think what mpd is trying to say is why would the Russians carry out the poisoning close to where the ability to quickly identify the agent, and also get help to the victims, would be readily at hand.
But then again, think of the prestige of achieving it under the very noses of such a facility and high concentrations of other military establishments.
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Can someone tell Donk, who is trying to explain to everyone how evidence and proof works, that he needs to learn about burden of proof before he tries being a smart arse.
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Ha, ha, ha! The BBC carrying a pro EU opinion? Never! |
Here's a clue; all this stuff you imagine and then post without citation or Occam's Razor isn't truth. Keep going though, you're hilarious. |
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| duhawkz wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: |
What I want is our leaders to be honest about what’s going on for a fecking change. |
It doesn't matter what our leaders tell you or what they present you with, if doesn't support your agenda, you just ignore it or dismiss it as lies.
while continuing to spout what ever half baked theory you plucked out your arse today, most of which conveniently require no proof what so ever.
Vegas shoot was an IS patsy
last week you where convinced the EU or IS poisoned skripal to derail brexit
Now uk.gov did to fit up Russia and launch some proxy war in syria |
So you believe the Russian government failed to kill Skirpal in a way they knew they'd get the blame, 6 miles from the only place in the entire UK to hold and deal with chemical weapons, then Assad decided to give the West and excuse to get involved in Syria and attack him, at a stage where he'd practically won the war?
And you think it's me believing half baked theories?
Do you think the stories fed to the public via the press, from the government and establishment is the whole truth, or a version which suits them?
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You've just confirmed Duhawkz's last comments.  All those issues you've raised have been addressed but you don't listen, you just keep repeating them. I give up. |
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It depends who's propaganda you want to believe. You clearly believe the EU/US/UK propaganda.
To me, this seems so hard to believe this time and makes so little sense, that I'm not prepared to take it as fact.
Exactly the same thing happened from our government when we invaded Iraq. Blair said he wouldn't go in without proof and the backing of the country. The next day, he then took us into a disastrous illegal war, with no proof and against the will of the people he was supposed to serve.
The WMD claim was false, much like I expect the latest "Assad used chemical weapons on civilians" excuse will be.
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It depends who's propaganda you want to believe. You clearly believe the EU/US/UK propaganda.
To me, this seems so hard to believe this time and makes so little sense, that I'm not prepared to take it as fact.
Exactly the same thing happened from our government when we invaded Iraq. Blair said he wouldn't go in without proof and the backing of the country. The next day, he then took us into a disastrous illegal war, with no proof and against the will of the people he was supposed to serve.
The WMD claim was false, much like I expect the latest "Assad used chemical weapons on civilians" excuse will be. |
Oh, so you've no proof either then?
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I see the Salisbury event has now disappeared off the face of the earth, buried under a historic dead donkey, aka the historic windrush government scandal. Oh look Syria seems to have fixed itself too. Not a sniff of either story in the news anymore, well at least not on Al Beeb or any of the radio broadcasts I've heard. Also, the recent HoL changing of the rules, so they can derail Brexit seems to have not happened.
Damn, I was really hoping to see some solid proof that this incredibly dangerous nerve agent, with zero chance of survival really was the agent used badly on two people who have not only survived, but apparently made a full recovery.
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| Fizzoid wrote: | | Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | I hope someone quotes me or I'm just yapping to myself again |
Never stopped him before...
Anyway, I'm pinning it on that ISIS cell that operated recently in Las Vegas
I mean, both the West & Russia are targeting ISIS, so why not get them to fight each other instead?
Sum of all Fears anyone? |
You may scoff, but the full story never came out over that one either. One bloke, a millionaire with no money issues and seemingly no issues with country and western music or white people, manages to get an arsenal the British army would be proud of, on his own, into a hotel room in a casino, then obliterate a crowd with no assistance.
All we ever got for that was the usual "lone wolf, mentally unstable"... That leaves so many unanswered questions.
The amount of mass shootings/stabbings/suspected terrorist attacks, that disappear from the news, never to be heard of again is becoming way too regular. We never hear the result. After the initial outcry, the story is buried, much like the Salisbury case and Syrian bombings appear to have been done already.
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