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PostPosted: 09:57 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


It just doesn't wash for me.


We noticed.

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For decades we've been told the Russians are amongst the top powers for international espionage, now we're led to believe that they carry out their spying and assassination attempts with all the finesse of Johnny English.


And you would prefer to believe in a fictional film character. Ok.

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I really can't believe the convenience of it all.


We noticed.

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Even staunch lefty Remoaner comedians are making a link between Brexit and this "make Russia a common enemy propaganda", in order to mock and joke about Brexit.


All of a sudden, a source useful to you? And this you choose to cite as proof of your theories?! Laughing

If you don't believe any of it, stop reading about it all Wink
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
managed to get an arsenal that the Canadian Army would have been proud of


Is this the truth? Did you ask the Canadian army? Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really are 10p short of a quid aren't you, keep doubling down Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


But of course. Everyone who holds a different opinion to you is always wrong.


Oh, the irony! Excuse me while I clear up the mess I just made because my sides split Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:

That's what makes debate work. If we all agreed, it would be a pretty short topic.


No it's not, just telling people your opinion and denying the validity of theirs is not a successful debate strategy. you need to present Facts (that are correct Rolling Eyes ) in support of your opinion, in order to alter theirs.

you also however have to be willing to accept the stated facts of others if you cannot produce the Evidence to the contrary. and then have the Humility and Grace to incorporate their facts into your own opinions, or others won't reciprocate and respect your position. This I fear is where you're falling down when you try to "Debate".
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that anyone in a position to actually know anything about this is saying that Russia has very little wriggle room this time, as the evidence against them is so strong and so clearly presented, and even the Russians themselves appear to be having a rethink on the tactics of outright denial and ridicule because it hasn't worked.

Surely mpd will change tactics with them? Or will his heroes leave him behind?
First up: Russia reports the US having a biological weapons establishment.

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Nice diversion


Whistle
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
the evidence against them


Is what exactly? Anyone impartial to validate this "evidence", or do we just trust what the politicians tell us?


Where's your evidence to the contrary? Anyone impartial to validate it? Or do we just trust what you tell us?

We can all only go by news reports. But you haven't even done that. You come up with some crackpot idea about some kind of EU/UK/US/ISIS/lefty-Remoaner-I-don't-know-what conspiracy, and expect everyone to applaud you to the skies because you dreamed it up yourself? Write a novel, and stop trying to pass it off as reality. No. People are laughing at you. I'm sorry, but I think it is time this was pointed out to you, since you haven't picked that up for yourself.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
the evidence against them


Is what exactly? Anyone impartial to validate this "evidence", or do we just trust what the politicians tell us?



Like 4 of them been arrested outside the hague red handed, thats pretty hard to argue with.

Or are they actors, paties perhap just pawns in some deep state conspiracy.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


Have Russia confirmed they are Russian agents


Laughing

Tell me my eyes are deceiving me! Did he actually just write that?!
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

And why would I trust Russian politicians more? I can't wait to hear your 'reasoning'!
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Jazeera - the same television station that is run by terrorist-rapists whose sole goal in life is to take your job, rape your mother then blow you up? MPG you are a closet liberal.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


Whilst the EU need to make an enemy out of Russia for it's own political gain, what agenda have the Russians has Putin got?


FTFY

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You tend to find a more balanced view of EU or UK news from RT or Al Jazeera than our own MSM. Why do you think that is?


I don't think that is. You think that is.

"Balanced" in the sense that they support your views Laughing Sorry, supply your views. What was all that about thinking for yourself? I had a feeling you didn't have it in you, even as crackpot as your ranting has been.
But at least you have confirmed what I was thinking. You do know, of course, that RT are funded by the Russian government?
Now, what about your impartial sources, like you demand from everyone else? Wink Because, naturally, being the individual concerned about getting to the truth that you are, you read widely from all sides of the argument?
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSG please do me the courtesy of not rating my posts as 'boring'. I haven't rated yours as anything at all.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 05 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:


Go on, why does Putin want Russia to...become an enemy of the EU?


You'll find out more here:

"Putin's War Against Ukraine" by Taras Kuzio

"The War Against Putin" by M.S. King

"Putin's Russia: How it Rose, How it is Maintained" by Mikhail Dmitriev, Evgeny Gontmakher, Lev Gudkov, Sergei Guriev etc

"Nothing is True and Everything is Possible" by Peter Pomerantsev

"All the Kremlin's Men: Inside the Court of Vladimir Putin" by Mikhail Zygar

"The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin" by Masha Gessen

"A Very Expensive Poison" by Luke Harding

"The New Cold War" by Edward Lucas

Just going by the ones currently in my library - should give you some insight from different perspectives Thumbs Up Plus of course news from various channels, various newspapers, various commentators, political, military, intelligence...you want more? Laughing

The rest of your post isn't even worth wasting my time with, including the bit I edited out of the quote I've used, for reasons obvious to all but you apparently.
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