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PostPosted: 21:44 - 09 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

dn38416 wrote:


*Including Northerners down here and not taking our women.



You can keep them, they're mostly mental.

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PostPosted: 15:14 - 12 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
is some weird massochistic tendancy that makes people want to live there.


That or the money. I think I would struggle to a find a job doing what I do away from London and it would be easily 1/3 less money. I could move away however my family and friend live nearby. It's a long way away but my vague retirement plans are to buy a place in the lower highlands. I saw a place that was beautiful, 6 bedrooms finished immaculately it had a huge 2 story garage, was next to a lake and there were mountain views. I could have bought it and had 100k left over.


Just noticed this and wondered if you had factored in the very high housing and living costs that are attached to living in London. Virtually everything you need costs more in London - much more. This means that your higher salary is only notional wealth because it is eaten away by extra costs - costs like congestion charge for maybe even motorbikes.

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Ah - reading further down the thread it has all been covered very well.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 21 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

tony1951 wrote:

Just noticed this and wondered if you had factored in the very high housing and living costs that are attached to living in London. Virtually everything you need costs more in London - much more. This means that your higher salary is only notional wealth because it is eaten away by extra costs - costs like congestion charge for maybe even motorbikes.


Barring the obvious with property & pints being much more expensive, what else is expensive in terms of daily living? Some things are cheaper some are more expensive.

For me there's certainly many more opportunities for me in terms of career inside of London.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 23 Jun 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just regards work alone, if I did my job in central London I'd have to work permanent nights really, and probably spend half of every shift or more driving and then there's the waiting for access, permits, being escorted into buildings and having to make sure theres someone there who has access to plant rooms etc. They'd be the hassle of parking and transporting materials to site, noise restrictions on use of machinery and heaven forbid if I need to request a road closure or traffic management to access buried services.

If I have to work this side of Bristol, I'd have 1.5hours drive approx each way, and just to make that work or worth my time to do ajob I'd need to be working 12hour days. If you did an 8hour shift you'd get frustratingly little done, but can you imagine an 8hour shift in London with all the above restrictions and more. Who wants to spend more than 1/2 a day at work driving, commuting or just waiting around without being able to get on and get anything done?

Where I am I can in some directions drive 45-50miles in an hour, it used to take the same time to get into and out of Birmingham 17miles and I thought that was soul destroying. London working wouldn't be for me!
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 31 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

How the hell did he even become a mayor? He is pathetic anti-englishman who wants to keep destroying the country..
Anyway uk is fucked anyway with those muslims getting on the loose.

He is straight up liar. Bike is not a transportation.. 100% of all world countries disagrees. And this idiot can get away with straight up lying..

p.s. I hope I wont get banned for saying the truth. I would be just fine if I would lie as that guy though.. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 31 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blazerdolf wrote:
How the hell did he even become a mayor?

Postal voting mostly.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 05 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I do wonder about the earning more money thing. Does it actually make up for the massively higher cost of living?


It does if you work there and don't live there. I currently commute by bike...
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 05 Nov 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I do wonder about the earning more money thing. Does it actually make up for the massively higher cost of living?


It does if you work there and don't live there. I currently commute by bike...

Surely the savings must get eaten up by commuting costs? Confused Assuming you have to commute 5 days a week, that's a lot of miles.
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 25 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
MarJay wrote:

It does if you work there and don't live there. I currently commute by bike...

Surely the savings must get eaten up by commuting costs? Confused Assuming you have to commute 5 days a week, that's a lot of miles.


Even if he did 30+ miles each way he'd still barely be paying more than someone living in the city using public transport. And i'd assume the lower insurance would offset a lot of that extra cost anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mafioso wrote:

Even if he did 30+ miles each way he'd still barely be paying more than someone living in the city using public transport. And i'd assume the lower insurance would offset a lot of that extra cost anyway.


I come in from Camberley via the M3 and i work in Parliament Square.

Its roughly 30 miles (60 there and back) Takes me 50 minutes to an hour.

Bike: NC750S 2018

Costs for those that care.

Bike Finance = 90 pm
Bike Insurance = 25 pm
Petrol Cost = 100 pm (Give or take)

Total:
215 pm
2,580 pa

Train Ticket:
326 pm
3,920 pa
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toccs wrote:


I come in from Camberley via the M3 and i work in Parliament Square.

Its roughly 30 miles (60 there and back) Takes me 50 minutes to an hour.

Bike: NC750S 2018

Costs for those that care.

Bike Finance = 90 pm
Bike Insurance = 25 pm
Petrol Cost = 100 pm (Give or take)

Total:
215 pm
2,580 pa

Train Ticket:
326 pm
3,920 pa


Don't forget to add in servicing to that. If you are paying anything like me on a CB500X it will be around 250 for a minor and 560 for a major service.

Plus riding gear, plus tyres, you must get through about a set of tyres and both services in a year at that mileage.

Will probably close that gap significantly.

I commute in to the city from Dartford, so a 40 mile round trip and reckon I only break even on costs until the bike has been paid for.

What I do gain though is time which is worth it for me.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: re Reply with quote

as above, my commute is only 10-15miles both ways and I probably end up paying similar to what I would on the train, however time is what matters to me and it is a 45-1hr commute without delay/cancellations or a 1.5hr+ commute with possibility of delays and cancellations plus 15min walking both sides
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

reavsie wrote:
560 for a major service.

If you are paying anywhere near that for a service, I implore you to buy some spanners.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I do wonder about the earning more money thing. Does it actually make up for the massively higher cost of living?

Unless you're working in the City of London and are near the top of the food chain - No.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I do wonder about the earning more money thing. Does it actually make up for the massively higher cost of living?

IMO it makes really good sense for two categories of people: those looking for lots of diversity, and those with niche interests or skills.

Big cities support lots of diversity and niche interests. If you're really interested in something, and can find other people who are also interested in it, together you can afford the fixed costs of making it happen, making it a viable business or whatever. This is the basic reason why cities exist at all.

If you're looking for lots of diversity - especially if you're young and don't know what you like and don't like, and want to explore your options - it can make sense to stick it out for a while even if you don't have a lot of purchasing power.

If you're very good at something, you'll get more competition for your services in a big city and you can charge more.

If you're doing a job that you could do anywhere else, consuming things that you can get delivered off the internet, there's little upside in living in London, or any big city really. The cost level is always higher in cities - there's more competition for space and rent costs feed into everything you consume, not just your own rent but the rent for every business you use and every person you interact with.

For my part, I'm well compensated in London, and wouldn't be able to find the same salary easily elsewhere in the UK unless I changed too - I'd have to become a consultant and sell my value proposition directly to the people with the money. I'd spend a much bigger fraction of my time on sales and marketing style activities, instead of what I'm best at and enjoy most.

Fixed costs are not a big portion of my salary. My interests aren't that niche - it's increasingly wine these days, and that's significantly cheaper off the internet than in a wine bar or restaurant - but the optionality of variety is still valuable. But fine wine doesn't get cheaper living outside London, and my disposable salary would certainly decrease.

tl;dr: London makes sense for curious young people, highly skilled people, and people with unusual interests.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 15 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

reavsie wrote:


Don't forget to add in servicing to that. If you are paying anything like me on a CB500X it will be around 250 for a minor and 560 for a major service.

Plus riding gear, plus tyres, you must get through about a set of tyres and both services in a year at that mileage.

Will probably close that gap significantly.

I commute in to the city from Dartford, so a 40 mile round trip and reckon I only break even on costs until the bike has been paid for.

What I do gain though is time which is worth it for me.


Yeah i forgot about that. Service is 150 every 8000 miles, so about twice a year. I don't need new bike kit and tyres aren't that expensive.

Anyway none of that would close the 1340 gap much, plus the time it takes. Its still a huge advantage to me. After 3 years i won't be paying any finance either so you can knock off another 1,080 at that point, which would put the bike annual cost at around 1,500 pa which is 61% cheaper then getting the train.

A huge benefit is that i can afford my own house out here and still have a London wage.

If Khan decides to not allow us into the city it will be really inconvenient.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in London for a couple of years when I first moved to this country and started working for the NHS. I hated living there and since I left 9 years ago I haven't been back into the city. Yes, the wages were higher but the cost of everything was higher too and driving and riding in London was about as enjoyable as having a root canal done.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 29 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

martin734 wrote:
I lived in London for a couple of years when I first moved to this country and started working for the NHS. I hated living there and since I left 9 years ago I haven't been back into the city. Yes, the wages were higher but the cost of everything was higher too and driving and riding in London was about as enjoyable as having a root canal done.


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