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PostPosted: 18:01 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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I googled Danny Tommo out of curiosity,


You're obsessed with Robinson and anyone to do with him.
Get a life. Go out and meet people other than your Guardian readers Gin bar.

This sort of left wing obsession with hounding right wing figures is not healthy. Confused


I was bored. Even you have to admit he is a scroat though!
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put your money where your mouth is and become the moderate version of him.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
Put your money where your mouth is and become the moderate version of him.


That's not likely is it?

We have this here. And yet 8 years later he still won't admit to it.

https://i.imgur.com/7c1Mfryl.png
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why the feck did the police escort them there then just watch them attack? It’s almost like they’re encouraging attacks on Robinson and anyone who dares to support him.


Maybe they were standing up for something they believe in???

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Robinson and his posse are all knuckle draggers. I'm not denying that, am not a fan and wouldn't vote for him.
My only observation of him in a positive way is that he stands by his principals
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe they were standing up for something they believe in???


Like the IRA, or like ISIS.......

Good argument! 100% solid.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I stop to think about it, I can honestly say I'm not sure what they think they're going to acheive by continuing this.
If they had ignored TR and he was just a plain old racist would he have anywhere near the following he has?
The current treatment is going to gain him more support from people who look past the mainstream media lies because there is so much evidence of biased treatment. It reinforces everything he's been saying to date and it is certainly going to harden the support of people who are currently behind him.

I find TR a bit too angry shouty for my liking, but the crap that's being done to him, and the constant smears and lies are just getting to the point of ridiculous.
Then again, it's not just him, Carl Benjamin has posted some pretty decent discussions and as far as I can tell he is a pretty level headed libertarian. The press have called him a paedophile and promoter of rape under investigation by the police. This is stuff they know is misleading bullshit.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have a look at the comments under the post about today on the Muslim Defence Leagues Facebook page. Some lovely photos of them beating people up 8 against 1. Disgusting that the police encourage them and Facebook let them operate on their platform, yet ban anyone deemed anti Islam.

https://www.facebook.com/OriginalMuslimDefenceLeagueMDL/posts/2122160121165190

What nice people they are. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly what the more extreme elements of British society want - ordinary people attacking each other. I watched a few of the YouTube videos last night and what I saw was a group of YL supporters plus a group of Muslim men, with plod in between trying to keep them apart. Insults were coming from both sides, both sides were throwing things at each other and both sides were clearly over-excited and wanting a fight. If the plod hadn't kept them apart it could have turned really nasty.

All this does is polarise opinion, which is what the respective leaders want to happen because it gives them legitimacy and a reason to have a wank. I felt sorry for the poor people who live around there and who live wherever the next 'event' takes place. If it happened on my street and a bunch of charmers from any side started throwing things, damaging my car and running through my garden, I'd feel morally justified in getting the chainsaw out and suggesting they leave...
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look again and you'll see two coppers walking in front of the group, using their radios. They did what they are trained to do - report what is happening, keep the group together as much as possible then block and confine it when enough resources are available. Note that the group was stopped some distance from where YL's crowd were gathered initially, and that YL's lot chose to come to meet it, thus requiring the plod to form another line, to maintain a distance.

Two ways of describing the same situation - you choose the one that supports your Islamist conspiracy view and I choose the one that reflects the reality of keeping opposing but initially law-abiding groups apart. Both were out looking for a fight and plod knew that, but neither group could be removed until offences were actually commited.

What you are trying to do is persuade people that the police actively assisted the Muslim group because they were of Pakistani origin and because YL is right wing. This is absolute billy-bollocks, and I'm sure deep down you know that. From your years as a football supporter you must have come across similar crowd control tactics, surely?
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to a lovely, Europe-wide religious war Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 12:10 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looking forward to a lovely, Europe-wide religious war


Sadly this is where the nutters on both sides want it to go...
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two ways of looking at it. One coloured by years of right-wing conspiracy theorising and one by a basic (but taught) knowledge of crowd control techniques.

Ultimately the objective of plod is to make sure the 'event' passes with as few injuries and as little damage to property as possible. If this means not arresting people throwing missiles there and then, that is how it is. This decision is taken by the commander on the ground and is dictated by the level, training and equipment of available resources. It isn't politically or racially motivated, despite what you'd like to believe.

If you actually look at the videos, you will see that the vast majority of plod were at the Muslim end of the 'event', thus preventing that group from getting closer. In comparison there were relatively few at the YL side to hold them back. This demonstrates where plod thought the greater threat was coming from and poos on your idea that plod actively encouraged the confrontation.

Get a grip with your conspiract theories...
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 19 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why you think that my view is 'Muslim apologist'. I haven't argued that the police should treat the MDL any differently than the EDL, or indeed any group openly out for violent confrontation. Where is the 'get out of criticism fee card' in what I've said?

What I have said is that the police determine how to manage crowds depending upon available resources and perceived threat. In this instance the greater threat was perceived to be coming from the MDL, which is why most of the plod were down that end of the 'event'. The MDL were stopped short of YL's lot, and YL's lot chose to come towards them, thus making it harder for the police to keep control because it meant some officers had to hold back that lot as well. What precisely do these operational decisions have to do with race or religion?

If some idiots chooses to film bits of it, the individuals filmed carrying out assaults should expect a knock on the door. This goes for both sides.

Idiots are idiots be them Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Athiest or whatever, so wind your neck in with your 'Muslim apologist theory' accusations towards me.
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