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PostPosted: 17:07 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Now we'll have to listen to that idiot, carrying on about how its a lefty stitch up, how poor tommy will be sent to a muslim only prison so muslims can shit in his pillow cases and wank in his socks, while making him eat halal.

Oh. That one?

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So much for the AG saying he was innocent

Didn't know the A-G said that. That oaf Gerard Batten has said:

"An unbelievable verdict at the Old Bailey. Tommy Robinson found guilty on three counts of contempt of court. Sentencing next Thursday. This is a travesty of justice."

It seems to me quite the opposite. Justice is being be done.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A right wing figure being abused by Muslim child rapists outside court (they attacked and abused him when they saw him)

Laughing And so the story is respun to make Tommy the victim. Poor, saintly Tommy. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The difference between YL and us is that he is a public figure, and as such the law has to be seen to be enforced because the verdict will be scrutinised closely. This wouldn't happen if it were you and I, because we aren't in the public eye and nobody gives a toss

Perhaps one day you will realise how wrong that is. The law is applied equally. There are any number of people in the legal profession who will ensure that this is so for their clients, either privately or publicly funded (edit: for their own "fame"/careers if nothing else).


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PostPosted: 17:23 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
Diggs wrote:
The difference between YL and us is that he is a public figure, and as such the law has to be seen to be enforced because the verdict will be scrutinised closely. This wouldn't happen if it were you and I, because we aren't in the public eye and nobody gives a toss

Perhaps one day you will realise how wrong that is. The law is applied equally. There are any number of people in the legal profession who will ensure that this is so for their clients, either privately or publicly funded (edit: for their own "fame"/careers if nothing else).


Sadly it isn't. I was having coffee with a Magistrate yesterday and we were talking about that very subject....
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Sadly it isn't. I was having coffee with a Magistrate yesterday and we were talking about that very subject....

You don't need to have any legal qualifications (or indeed any other qualifications at all) to be a magistrate.
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Sadly it isn't. I was having coffee with a Magistrate yesterday and we were talking about that very subject....

You don't need to have any legal qualifications (or indeed any other qualifications at all) to be a magistrate.


Correct, but it also gives you an insight into how people from differing backgrounds can be dealt with do differently, despite being up on the same sort of charges.
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And I'm also going to sit by smugly, in the knowledge that I can say 'I told you so' to you know who. Laughing
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mpd72 wrote:
A right wing figure being abused by Muslim child rapists outside court (they attacked and abused him when they saw him)

Laughing And so the story is respun to make Tommy the victim. Poor, saintly Tommy. Rolling Eyes


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And you think (the courts) would have treated anyone else this way?

Yeah right. Scapegoat alert.

Scapegoat for what?
You're using the culture of victimhood to cast Tommy in a light which suits your (and his) agenda.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Scapegoat for what?
You're using the culture of victimhood to cast Tommy in a light which suits your (and his) agenda.


I think you can blame the left for that, 'tis the social currency de jour.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 05 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
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Sadly it isn't. I was having coffee with a Magistrate yesterday and we were talking about that very subject....

You don't need to have any legal qualifications (or indeed any other qualifications at all) to be a magistrate.


That depends on whether you're a stipendiary magistrate...
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HardlyDavidson wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Scapegoat for what?
You're using the culture of victimhood to cast Tommy in a light which suits your (and his) agenda.


I think you can blame the left for that, 'tis the social currency de jour.

Clearly the right are using it too to legitimise their activities.
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It'll be interesting to see what the sentence is, and whether the lack of reporting restriction notifications, incorrect guidance on the judiciary website, and the zero impact on the trial are taken as mitigating factors.
I suspect they won't be.

I don't think TR wanted to get himself arrested and thrown back in prison. If you watch the video of his arrest he certainly didn't look relaxed about it, and he was pretty sure he hadn't broken the law at that point.
The cost of this case Vs the harm caused is grossly disproportionate, that's my biggest issue with this. TR, despite his best efforts, breached a reporting restriction. The judiciary made numerous fvk ups but they get to go after him again and again relentlessly until they get the verdict they want with apparently no one held to account for their screw ups. You can see where the persecution angle comes from.
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Really? You lefties think this is justice and not a warning signal for being openly right wing?

It’s now a crime the establishment will stop. Pastry cutter inspections at dawn.

Scary shit.


Jesus wept, neither of renshaw nor pastry cutter boy were jailed just holding far right views.

Renshaw was a nonce and was planning to murder an MP.
Pastry cutter boy was jailed for being a member of a banned or organization. And had in his possession bomb making instructions. In fact the judge said the group was well planned and well organized and pastry cutter boy was a dangerous individual.

I've already shown you a bloke who got 7yrs for sharing isis video so the door swings both ways
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It'll be interesting to see what the sentence is, and whether the lack of reporting restriction notifications, incorrect guidance on the judiciary website, and the zero impact on the trial are taken as mitigating factors.
I suspect they won't be.

I don't think TR wanted to get himself arrested and thrown back in prison. If you watch the video of his arrest he certainly didn't look relaxed about it, and he was pretty sure he hadn't broken the law at that point.
The cost of this case Vs the harm caused is grossly disproportionate, that's my biggest issue with this. TR, despite his best efforts, breached a reporting restriction. The judiciary made numerous fvk ups but they get to go after him again and again relentlessly until they get the verdict they want with apparently no one held to account for their screw ups. You can see where the persecution angle comes from.


Has he cited the lack of notices regarding reporting restrictions on his defence? I'm interested to see the incorrect guidance also.

The 'zero effect' is a red herring, or are you suggesting that people who plan to commit crimes but are caught before putting it into action should be released, because it hasn't had an effect?
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 06 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Apparently it wasnt just breaching reporting restrictions has found in contempt for.

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Today Dame Victoria Sharp, President of the Queen’s Bench Division said: ‘The respondent’s conduct amounted to a serious interference with the administration of justice.’ She stated that Robinson committed contempt of court in three ways, the first of which was by breaching the reporting restriction put in place for the trial.

Her second point was that his Facebook Live was likely to impede justice, while he also aggressively confronted the defendants, she said.


In terms of the reporting restriction apparently he was told go to the court office to check for reporting restrictions but TR decided not to bother

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Andrew Caldecott QC, for the Attorney General, told the Old Bailey that a security officer had suggested Robinson check for reporting restrictions at the court office.

The barrister said the ‘critical question’ was why Robinson ‘declined the invitation to take this obvious step which would have put the matter beyond doubt’. He added: ‘We say the answer clearly is that he made a reckless assumption as to what he might be able to do because it suited him to do so, and the reason it suited him to do so was that his whole objective was to get the defendants’ faces out there.’

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Trigger warning!!!

A TRAFFIC warden grinned as he slapped a ticket on Tommy Robinson's "battle bus" today and told the ex-EDL boss's supporters: "I love my job sometimes".

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9447877/traffic-warden-laughs-ticket-tommy-robinsons-bus/
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 06 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is the rationale for the verdict in a bit more detail...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/tommy-robinson-how-close-edl-founder-came-to-causing-collapse-of-huddersfield-grooming-gang-trial/ar-AADUp7X?ocid=spartanntp
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 06 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
bawwwing about picking on the far right


Renshaw bought a sword and revised his intended victim's itinerary, thats not thought that is action.

Should these have been jailed, for life with 13 year minimum tarif in this case? no harm no foul by your logic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45062647
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