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The Artist
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
jnw010 wrote:

On the flip side, if it turns out that everything he's said is true would you consider the possibility that some of the other things he's said are also true?


I am sure he has uttered truthful words in his life. That really isn't the point though is it.

I want evidence and justice. Picking emotionally charged topics to fuel racists anger doesn't actually help anyone. It just satisfies those thugs feelings they can't seem to control.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
What he says may well be true. Its how he deals with it that shows the class of the man. If my daughter was felt up in a swimming pool, the last thing I'd do is let the world know via the internet just so the world could judge my response and that of Plod and the justice system.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Artist wrote:
That really isn't the point though is it.

I think that is the point. People make assumptions based on their perceptions rather than looking at the facts. When looking at events involving TR, the media will often report a somewhat skewed version of events, eg "violence erupts at TR rally, arrests made" whereas when you watch the numerous unedited videos that are uploaded there is no doubt that the violence was initiated by a protest group that were escorted to the rally by the police.
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I want evidence and justice. Picking emotionally charged topics to fuel racists anger doesn't actually help anyone. It just satisfies those thugs feelings they can't seem to control.

Which is the same point I'm making.
It's like you're disagreeing with me because you think I'm a TR supporter.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:
What he says may well be true. Its how he deals with it that shows the class of the man.

Agreed, and it's exactly why he has a following within the working class and is looked down by the media elitists. He's a raucous and annoying oik that likes a punch up.

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If my daughter was felt up in a swimming pool, the last thing I'd do is let the world know via the internet just so the world could judge my response and that of Plod and the justice system.

So if you were arrested after attempting a citizens arrest on someone who sexually assaulted your child you'd just be all like "Oh okay then, lock me up" ?
Because that is what he is saying happened. I've not seen any media reports that offer up any other explanation, or any explanation at all for the fracas. Just the usual far right, previously convicted, former leader of the EDL, arrested after a fight.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rampant racist with a history of targeting brown sex offenders punches a brown person he accused of being a sex offender.

I'm not surprised the filth nicked him. This isnt your local council pool but the creme de la creme. Lifeguards everywhere, cameras etc.

That's not were your typical kiddy fiddler plays.
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
If my daughter was felt up and I 'restrained' the individual involved I wouldn't advertise the fact on the internet. Doing so will bring attention to her that she definitely won't want, and could prejudice any trial.

If I was arrested as a result I wouldn't advertise that fact either, and I definitely wouldn't publish a video of myself kicking off at Plod. That is evidence for a breach of the peace conviction just by itself, irrespective of what riled the bloke.

The proper response should have been to 'restrain' the fiddler then explain why you did so to staff and plod in a calm, controlled manner. All kicking off did is ensure that Plod had no option but arrest him...
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Diggs wrote:

The proper response should have been to 'restrain' the fiddler then explain why you did so to staff and plod in a calm, controlled manner. All kicking off did is ensure that Plod had no option but arrest him...


TBH if a girls father didn't kick off if she was touched up I would wonder about him. I wouldn't give a sh1t about restraining him if it was my daughter, I'd just want to destroy the cvnt.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Diggs wrote:

The proper response should have been to 'restrain' the fiddler then explain why you did so to staff and plod in a calm, controlled manner. All kicking off did is ensure that Plod had no option but arrest him...


TBH if a girls father didn't kick off if she was touched up I would wonder about him. I wouldn't give a sh1t about restraining him if it was my daughter, I'd just want to destroy the cvnt.


That's why I said 'restrain' in inverted commas... Unless you are a C&R ninja master this will involve a large degree of pain and quite possibly a disabling technique such as repeated punches to the face.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
By 'kicking off' I was referring to kicking off at the Plod, not the nonce.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
jnw010 wrote:
The Artist wrote:
That really isn't the point though is it.

I think that is the point. People make assumptions based on their perceptions rather than looking at the facts. When looking at events involving TR, the media will often report a somewhat skewed version of events, eg "violence erupts at TR rally, arrests made" whereas when you watch the numerous unedited videos that are uploaded there is no doubt that the violence was initiated by a protest group that were escorted to the rally by the police.
The Artist wrote:
I want evidence and justice. Picking emotionally charged topics to fuel racists anger doesn't actually help anyone. It just satisfies those thugs feelings they can't seem to control.

Which is the same point I'm making.
It's like you're disagreeing with me because you think I'm a TR supporter.


It doesn't take much to lose credibility and TR has none outside is hardcore supporters based on the list of previous things he has been convicted of.

Just because he says something truthful doesn't erase years of lying and fraud.

I agree with a bunch of stuff he says in his videos but that doesn't make me a TR supporter. Hell, I agree with some of the stuff almost every politician says but that doesn't mean anything if they are racist thugs.

The only fact no one is disputing is that TR assaulted a guy.

If there is some evidence that the Asian guy groped TR's kid, I hope he gets the book thrown at him. Given TR's history, it would be an extraordinary coincidence so we need some proof. His family being witnesses doesn't count for obvious reasons.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Rampant racist
Other than numerous journalists calling him a racist, I've not seen any actual proof of racism. I'm keeping an open mind as to whether he is or isn't.
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with a history of targeting brown sex offenders
Agreed, he has targeted the majority pakistani muslin grooming gangs. I'm not aware of a similar number of majority white christian grooming gangs that have historically been enabled by the police and social services.
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punches a brown person he accused of being a sex offender.
Agreed. He definitely appears to have slapped him about.
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I'm not surprised the filth nicked him.
I'm not either. I've no doubt that if he had behaved differently they might not have, but then he is an angry shouty oik that likes a punch up and confrontation. It's like he just can't stop himself.
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This isnt your local council pool but the creme de la creme. Lifeguards everywhere, cameras etc. That's not were your typical kiddy fiddler plays.
While I could try and argue that not all paedo's are poor people, I suspect that this was not a paedo excursion.
It's possible that this groper has (as mentioned) learning difficulties / special needs or whatever they call it these days and has issues with understaning appropriate personal boundaries. It would explain why he likes the kiddy pools and why he had two people with him, albeit not doing a very good job of supervising him.
TR jumped straight to the worst conclusion and wasn't open to any other explanation of intent.
Is he intentionally making mileage out of it knowing it to be a load of nothing? I suspect that he genuinely believes that the groper had bad intent and that is driving his actions.
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If SYL does prove to be correct by some form of evidence then I think it's fair to say that we (the general public) will not see it.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 05 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If SYL does prove to be correct by some form of evidence then I think it's fair to say that we (the general public) will not see it.


Oh, I think we will. The CPS and courts won't do it, but his fingers will move faster than a nun's in an empty dorm...
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I agree, TR does post up everything that supports his cause is all it's messy detail. He certainly doesn't worry about "optics" as far as I can tell, or at least in not in the conventional sense.

I don't think the general public will see it, because the wider media won't show it. I just can't see the media suddenly doing a 180 and presenting TR as the victim of injustice. If he's full of sht, it'll be all over the media.

Interestingly there have been previous convictions of sex offenders groping kids at Centre Parcs, make of that what you will.
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You do know that TR is a handsomely paid professional activist don't you???

Stop looking at the puppet & start looking at who'se pulling the strings . . .
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If SYL does prove to be correct by some form of evidence then I think it's fair to say that we (the general public) will not see it.

Why's that, exactly?
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
jnw010 wrote:
I don't think the general public will see it, because the wider media won't show it. I just can't see the media suddenly doing a 180 and presenting TR as the victim of injustice. If he's full of sht, it'll be all over the media.

Why's that, exactly?

The general public can actually go and watch proceedings in court. His prosecution, if any, won't be held in camera. The only thing is you;'ll have to get in the queue at court quick, before his suppoters take the seats available. You could always ask for a transcript of proceedings, too. Form EX107 I seem to remember, but I can't tell you what it would cost. About a tenner I would think.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 06 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
jnw010 wrote:
I don't think the general public will see it, because the wider media won't show it. I just can't see the media suddenly doing a 180 and presenting TR as the victim of injustice. If he's full of sht, it'll be all over the media.

Why's that, exactly?

The general public can actually go and watch proceedings in court. His prosecution, if any, won't be held in camera. The only thing is you;'ll have to get in the queue at court quick, before his suppoters take the seats available. You could always ask for a transcript of proceedings, too. Form EX107 I seem to remember, but I can't tell you what it would cost. About a tenner I would think.


No one is suggesting that it will all be hidden away, what's being said is that it will not be publicised by the media unless it's negative.
Journalists have referred to TR as a convicted wife beater and drug dealer. He's then launched legal proceedings and theres been a retraction, but nobody reads those as they're buried in the back pages of a publication or website.
The general public at large are not going to go and watch the trial, they're not going to read the court transcripts, they'll read a hack article designed to mislead and then nod their head, far right, racist, convicted criminal, no credibility, nothing to see here.

If your question is why aren't the general public taking a keener interest and reading the court transcripts, I'd suggest it's because they're told far right, racist, convicted criminal, no credibility, nothing to see here.
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We have a winner in the 'who can provoke the (piss) artist formerly known as mdp72 to post' stakes.
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Nobby the Bastard wrote:
We have a winner in the 'who can provoke the (piss) artist formerly known as mdp72 to post' stakes.


Who is the artist blah blah blah?
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Skudd wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
We have a winner in the 'who can provoke the (piss) artist formerly known as mdp72 to post' stakes.


Who is the artist blah blah blah?


- or 'symbol' as he likes to be known as by his friends.

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We have a winner in the 'who can provoke the (piss) artist formerly known as mdp72 to post' stakes.

Oh Allah The Almighty! It wasn't me, was it?
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