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PostPosted: 20:49 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So why has the result of sentencing not been announced? Why the gagging order weeks after sentencing.

You say 28 accused but as I understand it this case prosecuted just 4 of them. The other related cases are pending and would be prejudiced by the outcome of this one.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
So why has the result of sentencing not been announced? Why the gagging order weeks after sentencing?

Robinson knew the authorities were trying to bury it, they have, he lost out.

I grew up in Huddersfield and all of my extended family are still there. Many are not happy at how this whole case has been buried under the carpet as if it never happened.


No, it's called legal procedures.

There are other Muslim rape gang cases that were plastered all over the BBC once they had all been convicted and sentenced.

It's like you still don't understand the reasoning behind TR's conviction. Did you read the article I posted?
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mpd72 wrote:
So why has the result of sentencing not been announced? Why the gagging order weeks after sentencing?

Robinson knew the authorities were trying to bury it, they have, he lost out.

I grew up in Huddersfield and all of my extended family are still there. Many are not happy at how this whole case has been buried under the carpet as if it never happened.


No, it's called legal procedures.

There are other Muslim rape gang cases that were plastered all over the BBC once they had all been convicted and sentenced.

It's like you still don't understand the reasoning behind TR's conviction. Did you read the article I posted?


Of course he didn't. This is an IT 'expert' who is unable to copy and paste things into Google to find out where it comes from.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/leeds-live-court-reporter-faced-torrent-of-online-abuse-over-coverage-of-edl-founder-tommy-robinsons-contempt-case/

Charming lot, his supporters. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you read the article I posted?

Did you read the debunking of it that I posted the first time it was posted?
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judge Norton, Recorder of Canterbury wrote:
[...]In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court,
refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim
rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are
ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury
that that is what they are, and you will find yourself
inside. Do you understand? Thank you very much. [...]


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PostPosted: 21:48 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Did you read the article I posted?

Did you read the debunking of it that I posted the first time it was posted?


No. Where did you post it?
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No. Where did you post it?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4560614#4560614

The context being that I agree that he's a very thick slice of gammon, and that he made a phenomenal misjudgement and Diddu it.

But there are no unbiased commentards on this issue.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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No. Where did you post it?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=4560614#4560614

The context being that I agree that he's a very thick slice of gammon, and that he made a phenomenal misjudgement and Diddu it.

But there are no unbiased commentards on this issue.



Yeah fair enough. Thing is, I don't think he is stupid so he must have been willing to go to jail purely for publicity AND thought that was a good thing. Maybe he is stupid but in a different way to how I thought. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think he is stupid

He's selectively smart, and has good retention. He's got the quran pretty well memorised, for one thing, and can trot out the snackbar parts that generally follow the happy-clappy bits.

But his judgement is suspect, especially when his dander is up. Ready-fire-aim.


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so he must have been willing to go to jail purely for publicity

I don't think so. From the arrest video, he was properly shook up by it, and was bleating for his brief, because he knew he was on a suspended sentence for much the same thing.

Thing is, he'd asked the coppers on site if he was OK to shout raygun from outside the court (his previous conviction was for doing it on the court estate), and they'd said sure, go ahead. It seems that the judge who later convicted him was watching from the window and ordered his arrest.

Again, I'm not saying that I think he was innocent. He was pretty much banged to rights. But his railroading through the process while being denied his own representation was an eye opener.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
It was over a month and a half ago now. What happened then? Why do we still have the story buried by a gagging order?


Maybe because -

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The other related cases are pending and would be prejudiced by the outcome of this one.

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PostPosted: 15:46 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Maybe because... The other related cases are pending and would be prejudiced by the outcome of this one.


You no doubt have proof of this? I mean, you're not guessing are you?

Oh, no, of course you don't have proof, as we're not allowed to know anything about the case anymore, you know, months after the convictions were all over the media.

This is just what the authorities want the hard of thinking to think. How long does sentencing normally take, 2 years? 3 years?

It's funny how there are never gagging orders in place when the nonces are not exclusively Muslim. Even celebrity nonces get no protection from the media.


I'm referencing the 'Secret Barrister' link (section 2, What Are Reporting Restrictions?') which explains how a criminal gang may be prosecuted in small groups. When this group of 4 have been processed through the courts the postponement order remains until all the other gang members have been to trial. If you want to leap to other conclusions based on nothing I won't be surprised.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only mistake Tommy made, was not wearing a turban! Wink

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PostPosted: 22:48 - 17 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


I'm referencing the 'Secret Barrister' link (section 2, What Are Reporting Restrictions?') which explains how a criminal gang may be prosecuted in small groups. When this group of 4 have been processed through the courts the postponement order remains until all the other gang members have been to trial. If you want to leap to other conclusions based on nothing I won't be surprised.


Ah, so it is a guess then. Thanks for clarifying.


And that's why you're barely clever enough to work in IT, never mind something requiring a bit of brains.

Jimbo - please point Noncerley Donkersley to the two links I posted recently, one the transcript from Yaxley Lennon's first contempt hearing, and the DoJ paperwork regarding contempt procedures. He can't say that's from a fake news left wing site, surely?
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, he's made his guess based on prejudice and now nothing will persuade him otherwise. He's a hopeless case.

That Sikh guy ought to be aware that the mob lining up to lynch paedos outside the court (-ironic when, if asked, they'd laud the hard-won rule of law in the UK) won't distinguish Muslims from Sikhs, Hindus or even swarthy, bearded Mediterranean-types.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
the mob lining up to lynch paedos outside the court won't distinguish Muslims from Sikhs, Hindus or even swarthy, bearded Mediterranean-types.

Isn't it just awful when people made sweeping, pejorative and ignorant judgements about groups that they dislike?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, though I fear I'm too ignorant to fully understand your point. It's a blissful place to be.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Indeed, though I fear I'm too ignorant to fully understand your point. It's a blissful place to be.

Some of your best friends are paedo lynching mobs, but...
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


That Sikh guy ought to be aware that the mob lining up to lynch paedos outside the court (-ironic when, if asked, they'd laud the hard-won rule of law in the UK) won't distinguish Muslims from Sikhs, Hindus or even swarthy, bearded Mediterranean-types.


No one in their right minds fucks with the Sikhs! Wink
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Indeed, though I fear I'm too ignorant to fully understand your point. It's a blissful place to be.

Some of your best friends are paedo lynching mobs, but...

Thinking Nope. Still don't get your point. Cool
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Nope. Still don't get your point. Cool

Well, there's a lot of that going around.
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