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Pjay wrote: | Yes, as I said, Wrongfully imprisoned. The legal system has to follow the law. You can call the laws technicalities if you wish, |
Good summary here:
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/08/01/the-tommy-robinson-judgment-what-does-it-all-mean/
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So Tommy is free. This is a victory for free speech, right?
No. It is a victory for the procedural rules, and a sharp reminder to the courts of the need to follow them. But certain key takeaways remain:
Robinson admitted that he was in contempt of court at Canterbury, through racially charged and aggressive hounding of defendants which risked derailing a serious sex trial and denying justice to victims of sexual offending;
Robinson admitted through his barrister that he was in breach of the reporting restrictions at Leeds Crown Court. It was never suggested, by his barrister or anyone else, that the reporting restrictions were inappropriate. It was agreed by all that they were necessary to ensure the fairness of serious trials.
“Free speech” has nothing to do with this decision. This was not a case of Robinson “exposing” something the state was trying to cover up. At both Canterbury and Leeds, he was interfering in a live criminal trial in defiance of laws designed to ensure the trial was fair.
The cases would have been reported in full by journalists once the postponement order was over. The only thing added to the sum of human experience by Robinson’s “citizen journalism” was the very real risk of serious criminal cases collapsing.
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Itchy wrote: | Pjay wrote: | Yes, as I said, Wrongfully imprisoned. The legal system has to follow the law. You can call the laws technicalities if you wish, |
Good summary here:
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/08/01/the-tommy-robinson-judgment-what-does-it-all-mean/
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So Tommy is free. This is a victory for free speech, right?
No. It is a victory for the procedural rules, and a sharp reminder to the courts of the need to follow them. But certain key takeaways remain:
Robinson admitted that he was in contempt of court at Canterbury, through racially charged and aggressive hounding of defendants which risked derailing a serious sex trial and denying justice to victims of sexual offending;
Robinson admitted through his barrister that he was in breach of the reporting restrictions at Leeds Crown Court. It was never suggested, by his barrister or anyone else, that the reporting restrictions were inappropriate. It was agreed by all that they were necessary to ensure the fairness of serious trials.
“Free speech” has nothing to do with this decision. This was not a case of Robinson “exposing” something the state was trying to cover up. At both Canterbury and Leeds, he was interfering in a live criminal trial in defiance of laws designed to ensure the trial was fair.
The cases would have been reported in full by journalists once the postponement order was over. The only thing added to the sum of human experience by Robinson’s “citizen journalism” was the very real risk of serious criminal cases collapsing.
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He was reporting that which was already in the public domain, the court was already in session, quite how any of that can influence the case, is beyond me. ____________________ struan80 - I'll go first - satisfied tick 1 |
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He was reporting that which was already in the public domain, the court was already in session, quite how any of that can influence the case, is beyond me. |
I thought you had more between the ears than BNP72.
Due to the large number of defendants, there were a number of trials over the same criminal acts. Not all of them had yet been concluded. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Pjay wrote: | He was reporting that which was already in the public domain, the court was already in session, quite how any of that can influence the case, is beyond me. |
Just because there is information in public domain and on the interwebs and you can find it out yourself does not mean it's OK to publish or broadcast this information. It's less the knowing it's more the broadcasting or publishing that damns you. There are numerous examples in UK history.
When we consider who is doing the publishing then it's also a case of well how influential are they? I mean we have our worthless BCF opinions, we have the opinions of the main stream news and also of bloggers and activists.
Clearly certain groups hold more influence than others it's why there are celebrity endorsements for various products.
We saw something similar in 2001
In 2001 a group of footballers went to trial for sexual assault. Something was published in the papers before the trial had ended and it was considered possibly prejudicial to the outcome of the case. So a new jury had to be bought in.
He goes on to say these are possible consequences
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Additionally, cases involving a breach of a section 4(2) postponement order will often give rise the following potential consequences:
(a) Trials may have to be abandoned irretrievably;
(b) Juries may have to be discharged and retrials ordered with all the consequent delays and expense;
(c) Witnesses, some of them perhaps vulnerable, may have to face the ordeal of giving evidence for a second time;
(d) The trial judge’s decision upon how to manage the trial in response to the contempt may form the subject matter of an appeal which, whether or not successful, will generate additional anxiety, delay and expense. |
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That's not going to answer how a reciting something from the BBC news site is harmful in a case. ____________________ struan80 - I'll go first - satisfied tick 1 |
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Pjay wrote: | Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | |
That's not going to answer how a reciting something from the BBC news site is harmful in a case. |
If you were as bright as you think, you'd know it does. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Live-streaming outside the court in the hope of seeing the accused, their relatives, jury members... Apart from risking the trial it's also incitement to the idiot followers who then can't distinguish Pakistani rapists from anybody else who may be innocent or doesn't look 'indigenous.' |
Which is all perfectly acceptable apparently, so long as you're a group of Sikh protesters and not a white, British activist trying to stop the authorities from burying bad news.
He wasn't treated fairly by the law, that's pretty obvious here. He was made an example of, purely because of his right wing views with regards to the Islamification of Britain. Other ethnics doing exactly the same, if not more at the case, were blatantly ignored by the law. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Different approaches to reporting though.
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Maybe if they displayed a bit more remorse, instead of thinking it's some sort of acceptable cultural behaviour, there wouldn't be as much hatred displayed against them?
What pisses me off is with the size of some of these gangs and the length of time they got away with it, is that for every 10 members in the gang, there would have been hundreds of local Muslims who knew exactly what they were up to, but kept it hidden. Many appear to think they were doing no wrong because the girls where white and deserved no better.
It's part of their culture and something common place in their countries of origin. It's not something we tolerate in our culture, yet authorities have been caught out time and time again for turning a blind eye to it, or burying it under the carpet as not to cause racial tension. That doesn't sit well with me. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Remember the holier than though "Secret Barrister" that all the lefties were copying and pasting to justify Robinson's rapid arrest and trial?
Yeah, he's admitted he was talking shite now.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/2018/08/02/the-meaning-of-justice/
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Yes. My initial impression, based on the limited information available, was that the summary procedure was appropriate in the Leeds case. As the Court of Appeal explained, it was not. There were alternatives open to the judge which should have been explored. There were also obvious failings to abide by the procedural rules, although I would plead in mitigation that none of that information was available at the time that the story was first reported. As a result, the hearing was not fair. Whether the sentence was appropriate was not decided by the Court of Appeal and may perhaps be best assessed by what the freshly-constituted Crown Court decides to do, (although my position on that was neutral – I observed simply that the sentence was not out of the ordinary for serious contempts of court.)
So I hold my hands up – imperfect information makes for imperfect predictions. But is there a wider issue here, among me and other legal commentators? Were we too quick to dismiss the case with a “nothing to see here” wave of the hand, blinded by the unappealing nature of Robinson’s supporters and the organised maelstrom of fake news stirred up here and abroad? Maybe we were. Maybe we could have – should have – cleared our ears and browsers of the white (pride) noise and paid greater heed to the arguments of due process. Maybe a little more humility is required in these difficult cases. I am normally conscious in all legal blogging to couch in terms of conditionals – if this report is accurate, then the explanation might be X.
Was I too quick to assume, wrongly, that the judge had acted correctly?
I think I may have been. But looking back over the litany of plainly false statements circulated between May and now – that Robinson’s “reporting” was nothing more than the BBC had done; that he was targeted by the deep state; that Robinson’s original barrister was an “unqualified duty solicitor”; that TR was never in contempt of court as the trial was over; that the courts were “covering up” serious crimes by certain racial groups; the dishonest framing of the debate as one of “free speech” rather than interfering with justice; and the other hundreds of fantastical theories clogging my Twitter notifications today – I’d suggest, self-servingly, that an inaccurate but well-meaning prediction – such as we all make in the courts every day – is lesser a social evil than the deliberate, racially-tinged misinformation campaign that we do our best to counter. |
I wonder if he's sad enough to put LLB after his name on forums to try to sound more intelligent than really is? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 278 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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