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| Pjay wrote: | | Lord Percy wrote: | At least Charlie Veitch was a good guy though. Unlike Steve the convicted fraudster and known thug. |
Come now, he lied a bit on his mortgage application (which he never missed a payment on).
I'm sure if the police were to investigate everyones mortgage applications, there would be queues at every prison gate in the country.
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Erm.
- Assaulted a police officer.
- Used false passport to get into USA because;
- Banned from entry to USA because of previous offences.
- Three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud.
- Contempt of court (not the one he was let off for).
More stuff here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson
But yeah it's just Our Tommeh innit, he's alright really, give him half a chance Our Tommeh!
| Quote: | Just labelling him a convicted fraudster and thug, only goes to show that the media representation of him has done its job on you. I assume you also think you don't get too affected by propaganda too? |
Well everyone is affected by propaganda and social hysteria in all its forms. But not everyone is as capable at seeing past it.
The point about Tommy Robinson is that frankly it's just too late for him. Even if he's complettely reformed, why does he deserve to be given any more merit or any benefit of the doubt? And what is he actually hoping to achieve by doing what he does?
People often mock Jeremy Corbyn supporters for idolising him like a messiah, but at the very least Corbyn is the leader of a political party that has the potential to actually change things. In comparison to that, what does Tommy Robinson offer, what do his followers want, and how does their following of him help to achieve it? None of it makes any sense. |
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Erm.
- Assaulted a police officer.
- Used false passport to get into USA because;
- Banned from entry to USA because of previous offences.
- Three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud.
- Contempt of court (not the one he was let off for).
More stuff here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson
But yeah it's just Our Tommeh innit, he's alright really, give him half a chance Our Tommeh! |
And not one accusation or conviction of open racism eh? Wow.
| Lord Percy wrote: | Well everyone is affected by propaganda and social hysteria in all its forms. But not everyone is as capable at seeing past it.
The point about Tommy Robinson is that frankly it's just too late for him. Even if he's complettely reformed, why does he deserve to be given any more merit or any benefit of the doubt? And what is he actually hoping to achieve by doing what he does? |
But you're willing to see past Corbyn's snuggling up to terrorists, friendship with evil dictators and shagging of Dianne Abbott just to boast to his mates?
| Lord Percy wrote: | People often mock Jeremy Corbyn supporters for idolising him like a messiah, but at the very least Corbyn is the leader of a political party that has the potential to actually change things. In comparison to that, what does Tommy Robinson offer, what do his followers want, and how does their following of him help to achieve it? None of it makes any sense. |
You really do believe your view is correct and everyone else is wrong don't you?
Corbyn would be a sodding disaster for this country as even not in power, the left are reprogramming students into Liberal morons without the ability to think for themselves, who all think uncontrolled immigration and over the top political correctness and virtue signalling is a positive for UK society.
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| Fizzoid wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: | You really do believe your view is correct and everyone else is wrong don't you?
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Another one of those pot/kettle moments... |
I'm willing to offer links and evidence to my points.
Many lefties, in fact the majority now, will just shout down points not meeting their agenda, whilst offering no proof to backup their own side.
It's fairly obvious how the left have reprogrammed an entire generation through media and education, when being left now is seen as correct and being right wing is now seen as wrong and despicable.
Look at the abuse Tommy "far right and former EDL leader" Robinson faces, purely for highlighting a clear and obvious problem present in one particular immigrant community. These problems exist, but the left prefer to ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen, whilst abusing those who want to bring it into the open to talk about it.
Where getting to the stage where even quoting correct factual information about a culture is being considered racist and free speech has been removed from the UK to prevent criticism of a clear issue.
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Overall, yes he's been an idiot on several occasions.
| Lord Percy wrote: | - Three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud. |
Was this the one where he signed guarantees / letters of support for his brother in-laws mortgage application or something. I seem to remember it was a somewhat convoluted situation, and I don't recall there actually being any loss to the lender etc. I could be wrong on that - I read it ages ago.
I do recall that he was arrested on some other charge at which point they raided his house, searched it top to bottom, confiscated his computer etc and spent weeks going through all of his financials, emails, browser history, bank accounts and that was all they could find. Based on the initial arrest, there was no necessity for the search, as in the search wouldn't have revealed any evidence relating to the arrest. It was a pretty blatant we'll do you for something, and we won't stop until we find it.
| Lord Percy wrote: | what does Tommy Robinson offer, what do his followers want, and how does their following of him help to achieve it? None of it makes any sense. |
Maybe they're tired of being ignored, and he's the only one voicing their concerns regarding the islamification of their communities. That seems to be quite a theme based on the videos of people attending the demonstrations.
Maybe there are an increasing number of people who are seeing issues around freedom of speech and state intimidation. |
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I wonder if Percy is campaigning against the BBC for this and smearing their good name? |
What kind of strawman nonsense is this.
I think Stephen Yaxley Lenon is a bore with an ego and a misguided following, therefore I'm an advocate of everything the BBC has ever done? :s
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It doesn't matter to Percy, he just looks at headlines and forms opinions. |
Show me the headlines I've seen and believed about Tommy Robinson.
Everything about that div comes naturally from public opinion based on his crude actions and his abrasive character.
No other public figure goes out and gets into fights, arguments, gets arrested and is then treated like some kind of lovable rogue for the nation to side with. It's nonsnese, he's the worst example of an upstanding British citizen you could possibly think of, appealing exclusively to the short-term, aggressive, irrational side of the human brain. People who support the guy have been swept up by Donald Trump style hysteria, leaning towards anything that they can grasp which lets them support something that fights back against 'the system'.
Left and right alike, everyone wants big change. Tommy Robinson is a fucking poor messiah though. Unless you truly, truly think that Muslim non-integration is the root of all the country's problems, it's just utterly absurd how much attention people want to give him and his cause.
Also on the topic of headlines and hysterical media - hopefully something we can agree on - it may be worth keeping in mind that the UK news industry is vastly dominated by a small collection of barons whose sole motivation is profit and keeping the plebs subserviant. The fact that Tommy Robinson is a national figure for a very large amount of people, just like Corbyn is the same for others, even with no aid from the mainstream media, goes to show that the sytem really is on its knees at the moment. Its hegemony is hanging by a thread. The big question is, who is best placed, and who has the knowledge, ability or experience to take the reigns and sort it out?
| mpd72 wrote: | But you're willing to see past Corbyn's snuggling up to terrorists, friendship with evil dictators and shagging of Dianne Abbott just to boast to his mates?
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No, I'm willing to see past the right wing media campaign agaisnt him.
Note, it's a media campaign, overseen by people with extreme wealth and social clout. Not hard to see the wood for the trees here. There are some very worried people - worried about losing personal wealth and power - dishing up anything they can on the politician with pretty much the cleanest and most morally upstanding voting record in UK government. Him and perhaps Tony Benn are the only ones who have consistently been on the right side of history.
But hey it's just lefty nonsnese bollocks they want to let all the immigrants in and hug everyone with blankets made of money tree.
This is unlike the narrative agaisnt Tommy Robinson which is largely based on public opinion and has spread naturally, without any major publications having to dictate anything to anyone.
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No, it's just pretty obvious that something is wrong when a whole 'political' movement is based on hatred of a single community's racial, ethnic or cultural differences. |
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More rubbish. MPG can you put your hand on your heart and state that Tommy Robinson or whatever he is calling himself today isn't a racist?
Thought not.
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MDF that's like saying you personally aren't a racist because you haven't been charged or convicted for such an offence.
Hitler was never charged with or convicted of racism, but some would argue that he was a little bit that way....
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By your definition, a child abuser isn't a child abuser unless he/she has been charged and convicted. A bit short-sighted if you ask me....
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Ahh, now I see a flaw in another of your otherwise impeccable arguments. My best mate Jezza (may Allah bless the ground he walks on and the big birds he shags) hasn't been charged with anti-Semitism, therefore by your definition he can't be an anti-Semite. This means that thousands of man-hours of right wing time spent smearing him has actually been wasted...
You can't have it both ways.
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But you ignore the exact same media campaign against Corbyn because he suits your left wing agenda. Gotcha. |
For every front page hit-piece claiming terrorist links, not wearing a tie, not bowing his head low enough, being an anti-semite, or riding a chairman mao bicycle, show me an equal number of examples of fierce mainstream media smear campaigning against Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
Sod it I've done it for you.
Image search "Jeremy Corbyn front page", these are your first results:
https://i66.tinypic.com/8yzxfr.png
Now the same search, for "Tommy Robinson front page":
https://i67.tinypic.com/f9jk2v.png
Oh look, nothing.
His presence is entirely due to alternative media, mainly pushed by talking heads on youtube. It's actually very impressive and a certain sign of the changing times.
However, the one truth is that his image in society has been decided almost entirely by his own actions and the way the people feel about him, rather than the kind of megaphone front page dictation of beliefs that the UK news media are trying to do with Corbyn. If people think he's a dick, it's his own fault for being a dick.
| ThoughtControl wrote: | This viewpoint of the masses just came out of the ether, with absolutely no prompting or word association at all. It's just the natural normal response of the masses. Right. |
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| Diggs wrote: | MDF that's like saying you personally aren't a racist because you haven't been charged or convicted for such an offence.
Hitler was never charged with or convicted of racism, but some would argue that he was a little bit that way.... |
Anyone can shout racist - lefties like you do on a daily basis - it no longer means anything of any substance.
That's the problem, it means nothing now, it's just a stick used by left wingers and libtards to try to silence anyone right of centre, to try to give their virtue signalling arse some kind of moral higher ground.
It needs no evidence what so ever of any form of racism, in order for Libtard to engage race card mode to try to win a debate.
It's wearing a bit thin now.
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