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Posted: 22:34 - 23 Mar 2018 Post subject: Street Epistemology |
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Anyone here ever heard about a thing called Street Epistemology? I was on a religious debating forum recently when someone mentioned a guy called Anthony Magnabosco who has practiced SE for the last 5 years. After watching lots of his vids i'm convinced that it might be the only way to ever defeat religious belief. Christian apologists are very afraid of it, and how effective it can be.
Basically, it's about respectfully asking questions of believers (usually on their god belief, but can be about almost any belief in something without evidence), rather than simply trying to hammer logic and reason into them. What's that saying...You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into...?
Based on the Socratic Method (and a book written by Peter Boghossian called 'A Manual for Creating Atheists'), it is essentially, giving people the gift of doubt. I think it's a great tool for all atheists to use to discuss belief with religious people but without contention, and is the most effective way of helping those who have been programmed to believe to doubt that belief.
Here's the guy's channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh10RgQgGuM-tnT7fKwgF4Dt57oh_yL5r
I'm interested to see what BCF makes of it.
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Hello, timid white agnostics! Let me ejaculate the most basic-bitch disjunctions at you until you get bored and wander off and I declare victory over all zealots!
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Not featured are the video he gets told to fuck right off, where he gets told he'll burn in hell for all eternity and the videos where threats are made against him and his family.
I'm disappointed that he's chosen not to respectfully ask questions to those who believe in flying spaghetti monsters. |
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Posted: 11:56 - 24 Mar 2018 Post subject: Re: Street Epistemology |
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Mr Hammers wrote: |
The only reason i mentioned the christian apologists as they are actively trying to discount SE because of it's effectiveness. Don't worry, Imams will catch on too, eventually.
Anyway, it's not about confrontation. It's about respectfully asking questions and getting the interviewee to think for himself. Watch a video or two and you'll see.
There's interviews with muslims, christians, jews, atheists...all sorts and no one has killed him yet. |
Will they feck. Criticising Islam is illegal in modern day Britain, criticising Christinaity is fine though, because it doesn't trigger SJW's
Who was the Canadian woman from last week, stopped from entering the country, detained, banned from the UK and even the EU, then sent home for daring to hold a sign up saying "Allah is gay"? Had she held up a sign saying "God is gay", nobody would have given a shit.
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Posted: 20:54 - 24 Mar 2018 Post subject: Re: Street Epistemology |
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mpd72 wrote: | Mr Hammers wrote: | It's not about criticising religion. |
Of course not. |
It isn't. I can't say it more plainly than that. Pointing at a Honda and insisting it's a Yamaha, still won't make it a Yamaha.
Quote: | I'm sure your average Muslim will be quite happy at someone trying to prove Allah doesn't exist. |
If you took the time to actually watch some, you'd see muslims are interviewed as well, and seem to enjoy it as much as anyone else, so i can confidently say yes, your average muslim is happy to be questioned.
Quote: | Think Salman Rushdie and Charlie Hebdo. |
It doesn't claim to fix people who are so far gone in the head that they want to kill someone because of a book or a picture.
Quote: | Islam is untouchable in this country, nobody is allowed to question it's morality or validity. |
Do black people have some kind of special dispensation or something then..? because they do: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPugYoYKJBdRpVH82zkkEXQ ____________________ A Guide To Powerbands
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Rogerborg wrote: | Hello, timid white agnostics! |
Some are far from timid, and most far from being agnostics.
Quote: | Let me ejaculate the most basic-bitch disjunctions at you.. |
Ejaculating reasoned questions respectfully. Not opinions, own viewpoints or contentious arguments.
Quote: | ...until you get bored and wander off and I declare victory over all zealots! |
Most seem to enjoy the experience, and despite it supposed to be only a 5 minute talk, often go on for much longer.
There is no 'victory' as it's neither a war or a competition. The only victory is if someone at some point in the future starts to think critically, instead of relying on their blind faith.
Quote: | Take it to Riyadh, and then we can talk. |
If you're suggesting that people in Riyadh wouldn't be convinced, then you're probably right. You can't undo hundreds of years of religious indoctrination overnight. This is just a communication tool that sows the seeds of doubt. ____________________ A Guide To Powerbands |
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Rogerborg wrote: | If he's not deprogramming salafists and wahabbists, what's the point of him? |
Extreme believers tend to thrive more when the majority, who usually don't want to kill everyone, either passively or actively, support them. Without that support, the lunatics at the extreme end of the scale would be weaker and have less leverage than they do.
As i've tried to make clear in almost every post is that this approach, i think, could potentially change views at the base level of that majority, albeit incrementally (at least now while it's still relatively unknown), not that it can magically replace logic and reason in a place overnight where logic and reason haven't existed for decades.
It may turn out that it has no value, that he has no value, and the whole thing is really a waste of time. Personally, i think it/he does have value, and that will eventually prove to be the case when/if it ever gains decent traction. But even then, it could still take a long long time to change the fundamental nature of nations for the better.
It's a bit like asking what's the point of telephones when only ten people had them... when only ten people had them! ____________________ A Guide To Powerbands |
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I read the title of this thread as "Street Episiotomy", which conjured up a very strange image ____________________ KC100->CB100N->CB250RS--------->DL650AL2->R1200RS->R1250RS |
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Sounds like blasphemy, Anti-Mohamed-Menteriasm-disestablishmenteriaism to me.
Ah'm oot tae.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 15 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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