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Nobby the Bastard wrote: |
Smiler passed his test and then got wiped out by a dickhead.
That's your yardstick. |
Is that a yes? That wasn't sarcasm. I'm asking seriously.
Also, what's the relevance of that? He was a good driver, but other people are dickheads on the road, so it's always dangerous? Or, he was a bad driver that somehow passed his test and then got hit in a completely predictable course of events by a dickhead, and so I should probably quit? Or, he was an okay driver, and I'm worse than that, so I should quit lest something worse happen to me? Or, I haven't been hit by a dickhead yet, so full throttle? Something else? |
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Makhai wrote: |
Is that a yes? That wasn't sarcasm. I'm asking seriously.
Also, what's the relevance of that? He was a good driver, but other people are dickheads on the road, so it's always dangerous? Or, he was a bad driver that somehow passed his test and then got hit in a completely predictable course of events by a dickhead, and so I should probably quit? Or, he was an okay driver, and I'm worse than that, so I should quit lest something worse happen to me? Or, I haven't been hit by a dickhead yet, so full throttle? Something else? |
Alright, I'll bite.
Firstly, man the fuck up. Seriously. Alright, so you're not much good and you had a shitty first attempt at a CBT. So what. So do loads of people. 3 drops in one day is really something, but I expect plenty of people are equally shit/dangerous first time round, it's just usually they aren't allowed out the carpark or call it a day after the first spill.
Ultimately, if you really want to ride a bike, you'll have to pass the cbt, and for that, you'll need to go out and practice.
I'm no expert, and I'm certainly no instructor, but have a few pointers anyway.
1.) Talk to your instructor. Frankly, I'm amazed you were allowed on the road if you're even half as nervous in real life as you sound on here, but obviously the instructor thought you'd be ok. Whilst that decision was wrong, obviously, it is also kind of a good thing. You can't be that shit, else he'd have said to come back another day.
The real point is, he obviously overestimated your 'competence' and put you in a situation where you weren't comfortable, leading to this pathetic display of whining and faggotry. That's partly his/her fault, he made the wrong call, but it's also yours. You could, and should have said you weren't feeling that confident after the drop and asked for some more off-road training. Would have been a better outcome for all involved.
So, solution to this is to put your cards on the table. Go back to your instructor, explain your concerns, explain you want to do this, but that you'd appreciate a bit more time practising before heading out again. Nothing wrong with that.
2.) Listen to advice. You've come on here looking for help/reassurance, got some, and then argued with it. Just why?
You're bad, you know you're bad, but you won't be bad forever if you listen and take in what people say. Don't try and make excuses, yeah you're short, traffic is a pain, people will overtake, but these are issues for everyone. The only real issue here is you, which again is good, because you can fix it.
As far as actual advice goes, some time on a push bike will help. It gives you some road experience, so you'll be more used to cars, traffic, overtakes, potholes, signals etc. It's not exactly the same, but some of this stuff does cross over.
But the main thing you need is time in the saddle in a controlled environment. Could be scooter, could be geared bike, probably doesn't matter, it's just time getting used to the idea that's important. The 'repeat' CBT will give you that, and if you're really serious about bikes you'll stop being a pussy and get on with it.
Final point, and what you actually came on here asking for I expect. My brother took three days to sort his cbt and he was amost comedically bad. I laughed, a lot (probably why I'd be a bad instructor tbf). That said, he did get it eventually and now rides round quite happily on his 125. He's also doing an A2 test at the moment, with Mod 1 finished first time. It's just practice and some confidence. Get on with it. ____________________ CBT Acquired: 09/07/2015
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The worst rider I remember is a guy who I did the CBT with, he's not a BCFer.
He had taken the CBT 15 or so times and had been denied each time because he kept falling off in the car park. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Firing in without reading the usual BCF screed: don't sweat it, and ignore the scoffers who don't remember what it was like at first, or have never had problems flat footing a bike.
The idea that you can go from zero road and riding experience to being fully trained and safe in one day (which means maybe 2 or 3 hours on the pad and 2 on the road if you're lucky) is laughable.
Don't think of the CBT as a one day wonder, it's a course of training that takes as long as you need to get up to a minimal standard. It should be advertised, booked and paid for as such (according to the DVSA) but most schools still promote it as a one-day-and-done because fantasy sells.
The fact that you're still considering going back after binning it is a good sign. You'll find that everything will be significantly easier when you try again, and once you're actually licensed up, you will be able to find or modify a bike to suit your frame.
You will get there, and it will be fun and awesome. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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CBT’s are crap and I hated every second of mine. You get lumped in with people who are renewing theirs and can already ride and are expected to be at the same level as them after a couple of hours. Although I met the criteria (just) I left feeling uneasy and not especially looking forward to going out. Fortunately for me I had driven cars for years so road stuff wasn’t something to worry about. And my partner at the time dragged me out the following day and made me ride around the block a bunch of times until I felt a bit more confident then took me out for a few hours on local roads.
You have a few options.
1. Use a different school
2. Ask for a different instructor at your current school
3. Do it on a twist and go
4. Give up
Whichever option you choose (except for 4 because only losers give up) you need to ditch the negative mindset of ‘I must be the worst because....’ and go back with an open mind. This is a learning opportunity for you and you have paid for it. Ask for help from your instructor. Feel confident on the off road stuff first.
Tl;dr - rebook and toughen up, buttercup. Good luck ____________________ Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
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As above, stop indulging your deprecating tendencies and make a constructive plan. Expecting to spend two hours in a car park on a geared motorcycle, when you can barely go a bicycle, and then venturing out for a pleasant bimble through the country lanes - not going to happen. The instructor you had on the day doesn't sound particularly switched on.
Try another school if you didn't click with him/ her or felt they were way off the mark with your 'ability' level.
You don't sound like a natural, but I'm sure few are. My CBT experience was quite bad. I was in a group with two guys who'd never sat on a bike before. I had plenty of bike experience from trials riding as a youngster, but I had zero road experience. The instructor was a tosser, some big, angry French bloke. He took us out on the road after some half-arsed 'training' in the car park, one of the other lads fell off twice on the road and the instructor was shouting and swearing at us all through the ear piece most of the time. There's tough love and then there's just being a cnut. He was the latter.
Went to a different school for my training and tests after the CBT experience and never looked back. The new instructor was absolutely superb.
TL;DR if something wasn't working then change it. Consider a new school if you didn't click with the bloke/ woman and have a chat with the new one regarding your concerns and wishes.
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Posted: 14:49 - 05 Apr 2018 Post subject: Re: Seriously, how bad am I? |
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Makhai wrote: | The instructor says that I'm going too slowly. I'm sort of afraid I'm going to hit a car, or get hit by a car, which I'm sure is very common. |
To quote Yoda..
'That is why you fail'
If you're that shit scared of something happening on the roads don't go on the road. You'll panic when cars are around you; be unpredictable, drivers will get frustrated and do something not so safe to get past you.. and you'll end up getting hurt. Sorry, it's not for you. A scared rider/driver is a danger to himself and others.
(obligatory MTFU as others have said)
That said, the CBT is Compulsory Basic TRAINING. It's not a test. They train you to get to a minimal standard, so if you're not at that standard, then go back and do another day until you have the confidence out on the road to not let the above bother you.
A slate could fall of your roof as you step outside and hit you on the head. It's not worth worrying about what 'could' happen, just prepare as best you can and read your current situation.
That's not to say don't prepare for the worst (forward planning is crucial in biking) but I mean more 'hmm this corner is coming, am I at the right speed, can I see round it? What's the road condtion like? etc..' not 'OMFG CORNER!!! THERE COULD BE A DEER IN THE ROAD THE OTHER SIDE OR A MASSIVE HOLE OR.. FUCK!! A CAR'S COMING THE OTHER WAY HE MIGHT DECIDE TO SWERVE AT ME AND KILL ME!!! REEEEEEEE'.
See the difference?
Go back and try again. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing, just concentrate on what you're doing (and what the instructor tells you ). If you can do that you'll find you start to relax and enjoy the experience.
good luck, let us know how it turns out
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you may think we can be a bit harsh on BCF but we are trying to help; we just don't sugar coat it. ____________________ CBR954RR - Daily toy
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Ive a feeling the OP has ran away from this forum....and is probably still running.
Our BCF habit of giving advice without the sugar coatings may have scared him off.
example.....
"Does my bum look big in this"
Normal response
"No love you look great"
BCF response
"Your arse looks big in everything, dont like it lose weight and stop blaming the dresses!"
So to OP
In a nutshell, if you fell off 3 times on your first CBT and dropped the bike once, do it again and try and fall off less
TOP TIP:
Dont fall off in front of a HGV ____________________ You know you are old when you're told to slow down by your doctor and not the police. |
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Is OP re-doing CBT? Founced? I fear we shall never know. ____________________ My Flickr |
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my mate was meant to be doing his tomorrow
a re take has been riding for ten + years on Ls
changed his oil on his bike Friday and snapped the sump plug and cannot get one til Wednesday
nowhere keeps them in stock ____________________ gilera runner vxr200 (chavped)
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 13 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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