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PostPosted: 19:22 - 25 Apr 2018    Post subject: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

"A motorcyclist is found dead on the central reservation of the M4. Piecing together his final moments proves to be a painstaking challenge for The Crash Detectives."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 25 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

"making good progress". Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 25 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me to watch, cheers.

First episode got me as to how careless fatty-mc-fat-face was knowing he'd pulled straight out the petrol station and killed the guys wife travelling pillion after clipped the rear of the car ever so slightly.

Interesting programme.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would've been nice if the powers that be had given even quarter as much of a fuck when my mate was killed in a crash directly caused by a clearly long-standing road defect.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
"A motorcyclist is found dead on the central reservation of the M4. Piecing together his final moments proves to be a painstaking challenge for The Crash Detectives."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912

8 years for killing the biker and perversing the course of justice? Only 8 years? And licence suspended for 6 years, ie he can go back to driving when he gets out?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

Londoner2015 wrote:
Freddyfruitbat wrote:
"A motorcyclist is found dead on the central reservation of the M4. Piecing together his final moments proves to be a painstaking challenge for The Crash Detectives."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43716912

8 years for killing the biker and perversing the course of justice? Only 8 years? And licence suspended for 6 years, ie he can go back to driving when he gets out?


People confuse punishment and crime.

There are almost clear distinctions made in matters of law when someone loses their life.

Murder is usually a considered act.
Manslaughter is accidental or unintended.
Killing someone as a result of a RTA is like manslaughter.
Can we discuss death due to industrial accidents too? Very Happy

The punishments are not always the same for similar cases.

It is the way society wants it.

It doesn't mean it is correct or fitting but it is done through rules and guidelines set out by law people and politicians who we elect.

So it is the way we want it to be.
There is a very interesting case of Ruth Ellis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellis

I recently watched an American woman's investigation into that case on BBC iPlayer. May still be available.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

I watched the doc this article was about, it's really interesting and quite impressive how they nailed him.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

Murder is usually a considered act.
Manslaughter is accidental or unintended.
Killing someone as a result of a RTA is like manslaughter.
Can we discuss death due to industrial accidents too? Very Happy


Isnt driving into someone on a bike at 82mph a considered act to kill??
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

Londoner2015 wrote:
8 years for killing the biker and perversing the course of justice? Only 8 years?

Brian Hampton who killed up 16 year old mopedist Jade Clark a treat while banned for drink driving and using a car fraudulently registered and insured in his wife's name got a mere 2 years for slaughtering her, and 4 for perverting the course of justice.

My assumption is that he's already been released on licence, and I have a Googols alert watching out for his inevitable next 'mishap'.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 26 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: Killer of biker tracked down by forensics Reply with quote

AshWebster wrote:
MCN wrote:

Murder is usually a considered act.
Manslaughter is accidental or unintended.
Killing someone as a result of a RTA is like manslaughter.
Can we discuss death due to industrial accidents too? Very Happy


Isnt driving into someone on a bike at 82mph a considered act to kill??


I agree it 'looks' like MURDUR. But the courts must look at the legal aspects. Emotions do not have as much to do with the laws once the law is passed.
Emotions can influence a decisions but the law must be upheld.

Even those the guy driving the mini 'caused' the death if the motorcyclist it was not necessarily MURDUR.

It was causing death by careless or reckless driving. (Not the exact word for the offence.)

There are too many variables and mitigating circumstances that must be considered when the book is thrown at someone.

The guy probably knew he cause the biker to crash. But he could also have been unaware of the consequences of that.
Folk are fcukin stupid. It doesn't mean they are criminals.
That is why we rely on the wisdom of our courts to decide the outcome.

People have 'Gotten away with Murder' many times.

And people have been stitched up for it too.

It is the law and therefore it is not an exact science.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 27 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not blaming the biker but it seemed odd going from lane 1 > 3 without noticing a car* that looked like it was trying to overlap him, reminiscent to accidents on here where people have changed lanes, and collided with a vehicle because they didn't do a shoulder check.

Obviously it was a cold rainy day so you have to factor in conditions. I blame Adam Aarons Folded arms

*unless he did know it was behind him, then you wonder why he didn't let the tw@ go.
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