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PostPosted: 13:48 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: A2 reatriction certificate?? Reply with quote
Hi people,

I have an a2 licence, recently bought a bandit 600, the guy i bought it from says its been restricted to 47 because it was his daughters, but i have no proof of this. How can i buy a replacement certificate without paying £60 for the whole restriction kit off ebay?

I just need something to show any police that feel like pulling me and asking if it’s restricted...

Any ideas?

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PostPosted: 14:02 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
If they pull you you say "yes it's restricted, no I have nothing to prove it as legally I don't need anything. Goodbye"
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
tom_e wrote:
If they pull you you say "yes it's restricted, no I have nothing to prove it as legally I don't need anything. Goodbye"


Thought about that but surely that won’t go down well 🤣 also it actually might not be restricted, he could’ve told me that to sell it to me lol, just thought about getting something to get anyone off my back that pulls me over...
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
paddy off here makes them

you can buy them for a tenner I believe
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
andyscooter wrote:
paddy off here makes them

you can buy them for a tenner I believe


Hmmm, wonder how legit looking they are? Sounds good though if it works. I dont know anyone on here so im hoping he comments Smile
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cwuz wrote:
andyscooter wrote:
paddy off here makes them

you can buy them for a tenner I believe


Hmmm, wonder how legit looking they are? Sounds good though if it works. I dont know anyone on here so im hoping he comments Smile


Psstt... none of them look legit, not even the legit ones. Even the kickstart engineering certificate (you guy who sells you essentially four washers on Ebay for £65) is a MS Word 10 minute job.

You could probably get a certificate signed by Tef's Autism workshop and it would still count.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't bother getting a certificate, could even make one yourself if you really wanted to.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Print this: https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3679877#3679877
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's what you're paying for.

Here's what you get.

I'd say forget about it and carry on riding but you're going to die the moment you need to push that Bandit anywhere, RIP you.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
I’m sure i could get away without it but it’s peace of mind having one just in case one does pull me over and start asking questions...

Those eBay prices of £60 for the bit of paper and small pieces of metal are unreal.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:
I’m sure i could get away without it


You're not getting away with anything because that implies that you absolutely, without doubt, need the certificate. I, however, after two years of riding restricted can say you almost do not because the only person that's ever seen it is me. I ride not getting pulled over more than I do ride and get pulled over so this whole episode is a non-episode to me. The reason I do have one, however, is because it came as part of the parcel of paying to get one fitted by the dealer I got the bike from.

I think your main problem is knowing if the bike is or isn't restricted and buying a certificate doesn't solve that. If you're that bothered pay for a Dyno test or get a shop to take the bike apart and look (they won't and they'll laugh for you attempting to waste their time).

Crack on riding and flog it on once you've out-ran the restriction. Not necessarily out rode it, mind, but it won't take long (a year) to get bored.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
I understand all that NJD, but the problem in my head is what if I do get pulled, he says show me it’s restricted, I can’t. He might ask me to produce a certificate in the next week or whatever, I can’t. Whereas if I just had the certificate in my pocket, whether the bike is restricted or not, he’d be more likely to just let me get on my merry way...

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://i.imgur.com/wfBOAri.png

Print out and keep.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pjay wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/wfBOAri.png

Print out and keep.


Yeah that should do the trick haha 🤣🤣
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:
I understand all that NJD, but the problem in my head is what if I do get pulled, he says show me it’s restricted, I can’t.

You then tell them to show you it isn't restricted. I'd be surprised if they even ask the question, given most coppers (lack of) knowledge of the license system, and what bikes you're eligible to ride.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
QueefWellington wrote:
I understand all that NJD, but the problem in my head is what if I do get pulled, he says show me it’s restricted, I can’t.

You then tell them to show you it isn't restricted. I'd be surprised if they even ask the question, given most coppers (lack of) knowledge of the license system, and what bikes you're eligible to ride.


Yeah maybe the ones in cars don’t know but i reckon the biker cops would, and I see a few of them about. Where I love is very popular for bikers so it’s probaby easy picking for a biker cop just to sit there knowing all motorbike laws haha
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:

On a blandit, once you stop of your own accord, it is more than likely you will be believed. Even if you go full Freeman of the land and / or have, or could be perceived as disrespecing da officah, the most you can expect presuming the rest of the bike and you is toteslegit, is you being dynod at the roadside or a nearby traffic nick. So if you get yourself dynod first, have the piece of mind that you dindunuffin, or know you mebbiedid and be that extra nice and polite if tugged

Certificate is worth shit if you are in the legal limit, and if you aren't you've just gone and been a pervert
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
i think op is an arab and i think he may want to buy some sand...

op.. you dont need it you have to prove nothing.

all the ones shown in this post are as legal to use as a paid for one..
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:
Yeah maybe the ones in cars don’t know but i reckon the biker cops would, and I see a few of them about.

They seem to be even bigger morons.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 28 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
QueefWellington wrote:
Yeah maybe the ones in cars don’t know but i reckon the biker cops would, and I see a few of them about.

They seem to be even bigger morons.


Ahh right, I assumed they’d know a bit more being bikers haha 🤣🤣
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 29 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: A2 reatriction certificate?? Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:
I just need something to show any police that feel like pulling me and asking if it’s restricted...

Any ideas?

What would you like to show them?

A certificate bought for however much has no legal meaning, there is no requirement to have proof of restriction.

The only possible 'value' to one of those meaningless certificates is if the restrictors happens to have fallen out and so having something to show PC Plod doesn't look any closer at your bike. Since your bike is restricted, you don't need any of that.

Spend the money on petrol as it'll be far more fun and it is actually useful.

You can be asked to show them your license, your insurance certificate and your MOT but there is nothing to show that your bike is restricted.

If your bike is restricted then everything is cool and you don't need any restriction certificate. Thumbs Up They can ask to see a certificate just like they can ask to see what colour socks you're wearing Razz
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PostPosted: 03:54 - 29 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: A2 reatriction certificate?? Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
QueefWellington wrote:
I just need something to show any police that feel like pulling me and asking if it’s restricted...

Any ideas?

What would you like to show them?

A certificate bought for however much has no legal meaning, there is no requirement to have proof of restriction.

The only possible 'value' to one of those meaningless certificates is if the restrictors happens to have fallen out and so having something to show PC Plod doesn't look any closer at your bike. Since your bike is restricted, you don't need any of that.

Spend the money on petrol as it'll be far more fun and it is actually useful.

You can be asked to show them your license, your insurance certificate and your MOT but there is nothing to show that your bike is restricted.

If your bike is restricted then everything is cool and you don't need any restriction certificate. Thumbs Up They can ask to see a certificate just like they can ask to see what colour socks you're wearing Razz


That’s all well and good but I’d rather have the paper. Like I said I’m not 100% the bike IS restricted, and at the end of the day, as worthless as the piece of paper is, a copper that hasn’t got a clue will be inclined to believe it, especially stamped by a mechanic.

I’m not about to have the thing taken apart to see if it is. I couldn’t care less if it’s restricted, but a copper might, he might also just want to see a certain certificate, hence why I’m trying to get one.

Also I hear they can ask for a certificate as proof of restriction when trying to insure the bike, so again, could prove useful there...

Cheers
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 29 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: A2 reatriction certificate?? Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:
That’s all well and good but I’d rather have the paper. Like I said I’m not 100% the bike IS restricted, and at the end of the day, as worthless as the piece of paper is, a copper that hasn’t got a clue will be inclined to believe it, especially stamped by a mechanic.


If you insist on having one, then make one up. 2013 is probably a good date to slap on it as that's when the A2 35KW restriction was introduced. It's trivial.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 29 Apr 2018    Post subject: Re: A2 reatriction certificate?? Reply with quote
QueefWellington wrote:

That’s all well and good but I’d rather have the paper. Like I said I’m not 100% the bike IS restricted, and at the end of the day, as worthless as the piece of paper is, a copper that hasn’t got a clue will be inclined to believe it

Its more than likely that once youve stopped and are nonbaklaf, most coppers without a clue would loose interest. If youve done somethint outrageous, they may well call down a vehicle examiner to delay you even further. They will have a clue, so if you are worried about whether it is or not, the only way to figure it out is to get it tested. Make up a pony certificate and all you have done is added a serious charge to what was a fairly minor one
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 29 Apr 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah was thinking of making my own but I’m no graphics designer so was hoping there would be someone have sussed that years ago and would be selling them, let’s face it anyone dodgy enough to make them will sell them.
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