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Posted: 07:58 - 30 Apr 2018 Post subject: Another New Mash on the way, and it's a 600 |
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The Mash X-ride is coming soon, by the looks of it.
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28575820_909903605801356_1075581572958041902_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c31a9501cdee4217a98e160ef9b5d138&oe=5B5812CB
https://www.facebook.com/MASH.Motors/posts/909905452467838
I'm not overly smitten by this particular bike, however, if they produce a Roadstar version as a 650 (say an XY650), that could be interesting, and it would be a direct competitor for the new Royal Enfield 650's.. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
I've had my XY400 now for nearly 3 years, and it's been a great little bike, survived 3 uk winters, with little sign of corrosion, and it has been totally reliable. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Copycat73 wrote: | there is a gap in that market .. providing the quality control is there & the price is correct ... it will sell. |
In the UK? Based on what?
Mash's sales to date have been minuscule and they're running out of steam on the 400s.
https://i.imgur.com/M09m6q1.png
CF Moto 650s sold under the "WK" brand are already a busted flush - bikes are being SORNed faster than they're being sold.
https://i.imgur.com/YgimMcs.png
Joke brand bikes above 125cc just don't sell in the UK in significant numbers.
They won't sell until some marque puts their own money behind their own logo all the way from import, through sales, to support, then crucially buying their own bikes back for more then sweetie money.
Wake me up when it happens, I'm worn out from hearing about bikes that are poised to break the mould and change perceptions. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 18:33 - 30 Apr 2018 Post subject: |
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I take it that's a twin? Looks quite nice I must admit.
But a competitor to the Enfield 650 Who the fuck are you kidding. Not yet, in fact not in a month of Sundays.
Copycat says 'Providing the QC is there and the price right'
Yes, maybe, but someone still has to buy it to find if the QC is there and the right price? What's the right price for a Chinese bike? Maybe in a few generations time when a bike is considered a disposable item.
Roger is absolutely right, they won't break through the big bike market in this country until they back up their products properly. Yes, I sound like a broken record but ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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fireyphoenix1989 wrote: | WK 400 trail. Aint they OEMed by Shineray. Not exactly a beacon of quality even by Chinese standards.
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Well, my Roadstar ( Shineray XY400), has not given me any cause for concern, at all. Nearly 3 years old now, ridden all year round, yes, including during the winter just gone, complete with it's copious amouts of snow and associated amount of road grit (which around here at least, still hasn't fully washed off the roads). Never let me down, and still doesn't show any discernible signs of corrosion..
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Benelli have lost the plot as well.Their TNT600 is a rebranded chinese bike built by Qianjiang. |
How have Benelli rebranded a chinese bike? Qianjiang own Benelli, so, it's no more a rebrand than a Ducati is a VW rebrand ..
Now, if you want to look at rebrands .. You should have a closer look at Suzuki & Haojue, including their up and coming GSX-S300, or, as it's really known as, the Haojue HJ300. Or.., perhaps BMW with their rebranded Loncin 650 engines etc.. Or, perhaps Triumph & KTM with their rebranded Bajaj's ( Although Bajaj own's about 50% of KTM, so, perhaps technically not a rebrand) or TVS and BMW, such as TVS RR310 which is almost certain to become the BMW G310RR. I'm sure if you were to do some research you'd find many more instances.. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Still, a full page ad on BCF in exchange for some discount off the daughters 50 will certainly help. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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Posted: 10:50 - 01 May 2018 Post subject: |
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linuxyeti wrote: |
Well, my Roadstar ( Shineray XY400), has not given me any cause for concern, at all. Nearly 3 years old now
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Saying that based on your sample size of one.All power to you. Fair play for buying one and glad its worked out well for you.
I have not worked on that model. But i have worked on other models built by shineray and had nothing but issues.Mostly due to daft cost saving measures like dirt cheap fasters or poor material choices.
Not a manufacturer i would turn to or recommend from my own experience with them.The potential is there but they really need to step their game up.
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How have Benelli rebranded a chinese bike? Qianjiang own Benelli, so, it's no more a rebrand than a Ducati is a VW rebrand .. |
I cant tell if serious.... owning a company and selling re branded models built by an entirely different company are two totally different things.
Benelli had nothing at all to do with the Qianjiangs development, they just slapped the Benelli name on it to shift a few units to the unsuspecting buyer,
Lets look at your own analogy. Would you buy a VW Hypermotard ? No you wouldnt because VW are a car manufacturer.Would you buy a Ducati Golf ? No you would not because Ducati are known for producing exotic bikes with questionable practicality / reliability.
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Now, if you want to look at rebrands .. You should have a closer look at Suzuki & Haojue, including their up and coming GSX-S300, or, as it's really known as, the Haojue HJ300. Or.., perhaps BMW with their rebranded Loncin 650 engines etc.. Or, perhaps Triumph & KTM with their rebranded Bajaj's ( Although Bajaj own's about 50% of KTM, so, perhaps technically not a rebrand) or TVS and BMW, such as TVS RR310 which is almost certain to become the BMW G310RR. I'm sure if you were to do some research you'd find many more instances.. |
Im not even surprised that Suzuki are now re branding Chinese models.Its far from a company that i have ever had much faith in. I have 9 Suzuki`s and everyone of them felt cheap, and at some point every one of them broke down on me.
From bandits that would not run the rain to my GS500 locking its engine up at 80 because the rotor magnets were not epoxied in properly.They are struggling as a company and have been for years, i can remember when i got into road riding they were practically giving SV650s away as they just couldn't shift them.Buying one netted you free helmet leathers license and £500 cashback.I nearly bought one myself.
Might want to do a bit more research yourself. The "loncin" built 650 is a bmw engine that they are producing under licensee.The loncin 650 is a Chinese domestic market bike that they are exporting.
Not as you implied BMW using a Loncin engine.Same as most of the 125s have a very solid honha CG or Suzuki EN based engine. Its everything around the engine that tends to cause issues.
I have zero issues with buying bikes from major manufacturer who produce stuff in China, so long as the quality control is there then i am happy. The issue with Chinese domestic market stuff is its usually built to a budget not a specification.
Looking at the bikes you mentioned, there is the major issue with most of them.They are all being built as domestic market models with no intention of selling here.That screams a lack of confidence in them to me as European customers usually demand quality.
As for KTM, i like KTM.I want a 1290R but i wont buy one until i have a garage and room to store a second and totally dependable bike, i think of them as in the space Ducati were in during the 90s.
The only models i know for certain to be Bajaj built in india are the 390s and they dont have a stellar reputation. The RC390 i worked on was clearly built as an entry budget bike. The build was solid but it wasnt to the quality i expected from other KTMs i have worked such as the 990 and multiple EXCs.
My own machine is an Aprillia and i was very wary of it at first as my last experience of one was a friends that bricked its ECU with an £800 repair bill.
I spoke to all the mechanics i know and asked them about my model. I only bought it as its a shiver derived bike with a rock solid engine and decent spec components (sachs suspension & Brembo brakes).
As i said above, the potential is there in many cases. They just need to put the quality control there as well. Until they do, then they wont build the reputation needed for mass sales.
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Copycat73 wrote: | bikes are sold on reputation .. as much as anything. |
Very true. But you have to get some bikes out there in order to build one.
If off-brand marques want to sell in the UK, they could start by offering 3 (or 5 or 7...) year manufacturer/importer warranties, that are actually worth the paper they're written on. And not Lexmoto stylee ones that require a dealer service every 1000km, or which count everything as consumable including the valvetrain, as per one of the sodded off claims we heard about for a WK 650.
Copycat73 wrote: | see how the new model sells .. |
It won't. Not in any significant numbers. Even the best selling Chinese 250+ bikes just barely make it past 100 units.
This one won't change that, because the problem isn't primarily with the bikes. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
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