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Posted: 15:45 - 04 May 2018 Post subject: Missing the nerve |
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I've been thinking.. (dangerous, buckle yourselves in).
I haven't owned a motorcycle for 3 years (since I made love to the back of a van at 60mph ). I've owned 14 different bikes in the past, ridden through all weathers, and during that period I just didn't think about the danger side to it. Now I feel a little jaded, I'm actually pissed off that I will probably never own another road bike. It's so true that it brings something that cars and other forms of transport can't, sense of freedom, all that bullshit.
Was just staring at an Aprilia RSV the other day parked next to my push bike, wanting to jump onto it and ride like a c*&^, but I'm just so aware of my mortality.
Anyone else had these thoughts? How long does it take to move the fu** on? . |
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Posted: 15:50 - 04 May 2018 Post subject: Re: Missing the nerve |
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If you do get another, consider some advanced riding, so you can rationalise, understand and mitigate the risks.
Or; trackdays! (Plenty of potential to hurt yourself if you're silly, but more fun before you do so .) |
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 15:51 - 04 May 2018 Post subject: |
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Stop looking at RSV death engines.
Don't give up, buy a tiddler and go out and wring it's neck. A grom or something. Find where the fun started before it became serious business. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Could be a troll.
Get on a motorbike and take it easy.
You need rehab. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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After my experience of discovering a load of black ice around Xmas time, which didn't end too well, I've had a really bad time confidence wise (was considering making a thread for advice but, was scared of being called a pussy ).
Even now if the roads are wet I tense up quite badly, which obviously makes things worse. I realise that I'm doing this and relax myself but, within a minute or two I've subconsciously stiffened up again (gigitty). Bends and roundabouts are where I bottle it mostly.
I use the bike for commuting and have no option but to ride it to work, so I ride most days and still find it an issue after almost 5 months.
Only over the past couple of weeks have I been feeling a bit more confident but, I suspect that may be down to the roads being drier as much as anything. Also, the state of the roads isn't helping, some of them look like they've been carpet bombed.
My theory is that if I stick with it long enough, I'll get through it but, it's taking so long to get there.
Strangely enough, after my first two crashes I never gave a second thought to hopping back on a bike again and did so without issue. ____________________ There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
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Been through a few spills, some minor, some major. After my worst one back in '91, I had no qualms about getting back on and still giving it the beanz, I think because although permanently disabled (minor-ish), I could still ride, was still young, and still loved the speed, and perhaps crucially, had no memory of the accident itself.
Relatively recently, I had a year or so riding with mates or alone in Wales, and I probably got to be the fastest, but with it (usually) the smoothest I've ever been. I learned more about how to ride properly in that time than all the years before put together, having also settled on a bike, with the right mods, to feel happiest doing it.
Then another relatively minor spill, but with major repercussions - I injured my back. That injury has left me feeling a lot more fragile. Since then, I really have eased off. I still have some fun when the mood and conditions are right, but i'm never looking to see how fast I can tackle the twisty stuff anymore. I stay firmly within my comfort zone when I get on the bike now. Have fun, sure, but never really attacking it now.
Touring became more of a thing for me, and have enjoyed that more than anything else I've done bike-wise. This, for me, is where the strongest of that sense of 'freedom' came.
Still enjoy riding more than anything now, on the odd occasion I get out.
The fact that you thought about being on that Aprilia and going nuts at least means some of the enthusiasm probably still lingers. I'd suggest buying something engaging but not mad, and getting out on quieter roads for a bit. Don't go nuts, just ease back into it, and see where it goes from there.
I would also suggest that you don't have to ride in all weathers just because you can, or commute. If a bike makes commuting easier/cheaper/quicker, then sure, but in my mind, bikes are first and foremost about the sheer enjoyment. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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i was considering packing it in.I just was not enjoying a ride unless i rode like a twat and i know my skill limit was going to get me hurt.I was the usual point and squirt superbike prick.
I bought a slower bike.Well i thought it was going to be slower, instead i found i am far more confident on this machine and i started riding with the aim of conserving speed.I am now much smoother and as a result consistently faster.I never realized this until a few weeks ago when a friend commented that he was having trouble staying with me and could i slow it down a bit.
Now as i am enjoying the ride more, i find myself going off on the bike at 7AM and getting home at 10PM most saturdays.
Taking only my phone, wallet and sat nav then just picking a direction and start exploring.
IMO pick up a mid range 400/750cc commuter / naked bike and re learn why you loved bikes in the first place. ____________________ 2014 Aprillia dorsoduro 750 factory. |
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chickenstrip wrote: | Then another relatively minor spill, but with major repercussions - I injured my back. That injury has left me feeling a lot more fragile. Since then, I really have eased off. I still have some fun when the mood and conditions are right, but i'm never looking to see how fast I can tackle the twisty stuff anymore. I stay firmly within my comfort zone when I get on the bike now. Have fun, sure, but never really attacking it now. |
That's how I lost my mojo. After I wrote my bike off, I was back to 'normal' about a week after riding the hire bike. Then I didn't ride for a while, dwelled on not recovering from my injuries (bad back club ), and facing the prospect of either living with health problems for a long period of time, or most likely not fully recovering at all. Then you start questioning is it really worth it.
I had my MT-03 for two years after stacking it and never truly felt comfortable on it again (still not sure why). Getting the Street Triple was about seeing if it was the bike or me, and right now the car is more comfortable (again bad back), and 100 times less likely to get stolen so gets used more. However the bike still excites me and the apprehension when you're actually riding dissipates.
Maybe see how you feel when you actually get your leg over something? |
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That's how I lost my mojo. After I wrote my bike off, I was back to 'normal' about a week after riding the hire bike. Then I didn't ride for a while, dwelled on not recovering from my injuries (bad back club ), and facing the prospect of either living with health problems for a long period of time, or most likely not fully recovering at all. Then you start questioning is it really worth it.
I had my MT-03 for two years after stacking it and never truly felt comfortable on it again (still not sure why). Getting the Street Triple was about seeing if it was the bike or me, and right now the car is more comfortable (again bad back), and 100 times less likely to get stolen so gets used more. However the bike still excites me and the apprehension when you're actually riding dissipates.
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Bit different with me. I've been riding for 30+ years, and it's just where I always felt 'at home', so it actually would be hard for me to give it up altogether, short of physically not being able to get on a bike. I got straight back on the bike as soon as I felt able - in actual fact, it seems good for my back, as it sits me in just the right position to be comfortable, weight taken on the bars.
I had a similar thing to your wondering about the long term effects when I smashed up my shoulder, and it has limited me in all kinds of ways since. To this day, if I sit in one position for long, my shoulder gets stiff, and can be painful to get moving again. But riding a bike seems to keep just enough movement going that it doesn't stiffen up, even on long rides, although it'll get fatigued eventually, and need frequent short rests. Might even take a painkiller for it once in a while. Landed on it quite heavily in one later spill too, and it held up well, thankfully! But I initially had far more worries about what I would and wouldn't be able to do again after that one, some of which proved well founded. I've just adapted to it, where I can. Harder to adapt to a knackered back though.
It's not like I'm thinking about what might happen to my back were I to come off again, when I'm riding - it's more in my subconscious. As you suggest, if you love riding that much, you're fully engaged when on a bike, concentrating on that alone - all else is forgotten.
In fact, with the shoulder problem combined with the newer back injury, it's a wonder I can do anything at all But always, always, I seem to come out of these things still able to ride a bike , whatever other limitations injury has put on me.
I did go off my FZ750 after I stacked that though. Couldn't put my finger on anything in particular - it was a very good bike in it's day, and I liked it a lot. Never gone off a bike that way before or since Maybe it wasn't anything to do with crashing it, but it puzzles me. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | Bit different with me. I've been riding for 30+ years, and it's just where I always felt 'at home', so it actually would be hard for me to give it up altogether, short of physically not being able to get on a bike. I got straight back on the bike as soon as I felt able - in actual fact, it seems good for my back, as it sits me in just the right position to be comfortable, weight taken on the bars.
I had a similar thing to your wondering about the long term effects when I smashed up my shoulder, and it has limited me in all kinds of ways since. To this day, if I sit in one position for long, my shoulder gets stiff, and can be painful to get moving again. But riding a bike seems to keep just enough movement going that it doesn't stiffen up, even on long rides, although it'll get fatigued eventually, and need frequent short rests. Might even take a painkiller for it once in a while. Landed on it quite heavily in one later spill too, and it held up well, thankfully! But I initially had far more worries about what I would and wouldn't be able to do again after that one, some of which proved well founded. I've just adapted to it, where I can. Harder to adapt to a knackered back though.
It's not like I'm thinking about what might happen to my back were I to come off again, when I'm riding - it's more in my subconscious. As you suggest, if you love riding that much, you're fully engaged when on a bike, concentrating on that alone - all else is forgotten.
In fact, with the shoulder problem combined with the newer back injury, it's a wonder I can do anything at all But always, always, I seem to come out of these things still able to ride a bike , whatever other limitations injury has put on me.
I did go off my FZ750 after I stacked that though. Couldn't put my finger on anything in particular - it was a very good bike in it's day, and I liked it a lot. Never gone off a bike that way before or since Maybe it wasn't anything to do with crashing it, but it puzzles me. |
I think it could be that the MT-03's a tricky bike to ride, and can only be ridden one way (aggressively) if that makes sense, which's why I wanted something more compliant. I kinda see riding as a drug now, high risk, not good for you long term but a lot of fun
I wouldn't say riding aggravates my back but if I am going through a bad spell it definitely affects my riding. My wrist problems (RSI from work) limit my mileage on the bike a lot more. I guess a back injury can get you thinking about your spine and potentially being crippled, I did buy a back protector after the crash even though how I landed it wouldn't have helped. I still wonder if wearing knee pads would have prevented my knee injuries/problems although I'm not even sure how they were sustained.
Actually just remembered I watched TT: closer to the edge around the same time, and the bit where the widow of a dead IoM racer said (something like) you don't get the fun without the danger helped with doubts I was having. If you want the joy you have to accept the risk, rather than thinking you're skilled enough to avoid anything, or that you won't f**k up at some point. |
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I think it could be that the MT-03's a tricky bike to ride, and can only be ridden one way (aggressively) if that makes sense, which's why I wanted something more compliant. |
And now you have a Street Triple?! Well, ok, you can ride those quite sedately, but when I finally clicked with mine, I found that I couldn't
But that's weird. Didn't worry about hurting my back again on that
I think I'm just trying to get too analytical about it all, and that's never really been a thing with me and bikes. Bloody forums! ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 01:22 - 05 May 2018 Post subject: Re: It happens |
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Kentol750 wrote: | Look at who was/is to blame and if its YOU....walk....and if it's you... WALK |
If I'd done that, I'd never have got beyond L plates ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 04:22 - 05 May 2018 Post subject: Re: Missing the nerve |
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Eddie Hitler wrote: | Was just staring at an Aprilia RSV the other day parked next to my push bike, |
Hmmmmm.....
You do know more cyclists are hurt each year than motor-cyclists?
Stats dont catch them all, cos they dont need to have a licence or insurance, or ride on the road; but per participant, per hour, per mile traveled, its actually MORE dangerouse to ride a push-bike....
Which is why parents dont have any qualms about sticking thier darling sprogs on the things... then go all to pieces telling them they cant have a motorbike whilst they live under thier roof, and hope they'll grow out of it....
Nowt as queer as folk though....
Ultimately, this comes down to that skew reasoning and difference between rational thought and emmotive thinking....
"MOTORBIKES!!! DANGER!!! Mince-Meat and ambulances! Carnage!"
"Push-Bikes.... sell em in Toy's are us... so what, just like an Barbie doll, ent-they?"
If you let that sort of emmotive thinking rule, you will never do anything that you 'feel' is dangerouse.... and die from something you that IS you dont think about... like climbing up a ladder to fix a hanging basket for the missus!!!!
Your call. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Posted: 11:03 - 05 May 2018 Post subject: Re: ? |
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Kentol750 wrote: | Beyond l plates....explain.... |
Maybe I misinterpreted you. You weren't saying if an accident is your own fault, quit riding then? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 351 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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