Is there ANY way to silence this clown?

[asta1]

[Diggs]

I think the Romans had it right - collect all the criminals together, put them in stadiums and let them stab each other with sharp items for public amusement. Forget 'Celebrity Cooking on Ice', this is the future...
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[Ste]

"Knife and gun crime rockets across England and Wales – as police numbers hit historic lows
Offences 'disproportionately concentrated' in London and other cities

Reported knife crime has seen a 21 per cent year-on-year spike across England and Wales, new figures show.

Gun crime has also seen a 20 per cent rise amid a surge in incidents being reported to police.

Forces registered 37,443 offences involving a knife or sharp instrument in the year ending September 2017 – the highest tally since comparable records started in the 12 months to March 2011. Gun crime saw 6,694 recorded offences."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/knife-gun-crime-stats-latest-england-wales-rise-increase-a8177161.html

[mentalboy]

[Ste]

Postcode wars in London: https://twitter.com/adzbanks1/status/992416707288412161?s=20

[M.C]

Reggie Yates in Chicago (no not the musical) raised an interesting point; apparently they have quite tight gun laws/no gun stores but firearms are smuggled in from other states.

Also I couldn't help notice the 9 killings (8 of them black) by officers stat, compared to 468 murders in the city (in 2015), which rose to 771 in 2016. It's another reminder of what BLM are protesting against

[Rogerborg]

By and large, people:

Off themselves with their own household's legally held firearms.
Murder up other people with unlegal shooters that they'll get irrespective of any laws prohibiting them.
Use guns defensively at 1.6x to 10x the rate that they're used offensively by criminals.

There are three separate debates to be had here.

On balance, I'd rather have a shooter in the house than not.

However, what's stopping me isn't the Man, it's the Missus.
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[Rogerborg]

[M.C]

The guns in circulation over here are an ever dwindling supply, of mainly shoddily converted replicas and firearms older than your nan.

[Ste]

[M.C]

For Borgy boy

Replica, converted and deactivated firearms have emerged as a major source of illegal guns, perhaps owing to the difficulties that criminals now experience in acquiring genuine lethal firearms.

The problem occurs when criminals find they can’t get new weapons from outside of the country. It would be fair to say we have seen an emerging increase in the use of these antique guns.

Can't find it but there was a report IIRC basically saying the same thing, and that guns tended to be rented and used by different assailants in multiple shootings.

[mentalboy]

[Ste]

I believe that things have changed since those articles were written.

"Police trying to prevent terrorists from obtaining guns warn a rise in parcels being sent to Britain due to online shopping is helping criminals to camouflage firearms being smuggled into the country.

Dave Thompson, chief constable of West Midlands police and the national lead for countering firearms, said there had been a surge in the number of guns circulating in the UK.

In a Guardian interview, he said firearms were being reactivated overseas and then ordered for delivery into the UK. “Traditionally you’d have seen maybe six or seven years ago we’d be stopping people at Dover with 10 Baikals [a make of firearm] concealed in compartments in the car. That’s become less of a feature. What’s become more of a feature is weapons through the fast parcel system, individual items coming through.” "

"He said criminals were trying a range of tactics to avoid detection. “We have to watch a trend of disassembling the weapons and sending them in component parts.” "

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/28/online-shopping-boom-criminals-smuggle-guns-uk-police-chief
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-seize-79-lethal-firearms-13272544
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12177409/Web-shopping-system-used-to-smuggle-guns-into-Britain-police-chief-warns.html

It sounds much safer to get a gun into this country by sending it with DHL / UPS / Fedex / etc etc where it'll just be one cardboard box among the thousands of boxes of crap that people buy on the internet everyday than it is to have someone carry it through customs.

[Polarbear]

[M.C]

[Ste]

Someone handed in an AK47 in Trowbridge last year on the first day of a gun amnesty.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/ak-47-assault-rifle-handed-771963

Admittedly it was a deactivated one so not illegal and can be bought from websites such as this one.

Even if you know someone who has the right machines and knowledge to reactivate one of those, getting your hands on some ammo must be a lot trickier.

As hard as it might be to acquire a gun in the UK, if you know a drug dealer then they'll know a more serious drug dealer who'll know someone even more serious etc etc. Unless the original source is someone growing weed in their spare room then it'll be coming from people involved in supply on a commercial scale.

So if the stars happen to align, you might know a guy that knows a guy who has a contact that could know someone that might know someone who's into guns. Of course, there's every chance that you'd just end up being robbed at gunpoint making the whole thing an exercise in futility.

[Rogerborg]

The rights or wrongs of where the guns are coming from in $CURRENT_YEAR (M.C. is wrong, Ste is right) aside, they are coming, and they are being used.

44% rise since 2014 in unlegal uses (2542 vs 1755 in London alone, seven a day. Grauniad link, therefore faxtual) .

0% rise in legal use for self defence by the law abiding citizenry (0 vs 0)

Acid-stabbings by Dindus who don't give a stuff about dem laws and that: https://i.imgur.com/FDYkEP7.gif

I'm still not seeing the factual problem with the God Emperor's pronouncement.
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[Rogerborg]

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Not actually banned though, but nevermind. the point I was making was that,

[Johnnythefox]

We should gives blacks guns so that they can kill other blacks more 'efficiently'

[Ste]

Whitey also deserves a gun.

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