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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | In the context of the speech, why do you think Trump mentioned the UK knife problem? |
Let's watch it together. We can skip the first 20 minutes of biglying up himself to get to the actual gun speech.
https://youtu.be/0tyi5j3PIzY?t=1341
The London part is here:
https://youtu.be/0tyi5j3PIzY?t=1528
The context is that he is in favour of law abiding people, including business owners, being armed. Not with "automatic assault rifles and the like".
He is also making the point, with reference to London, that banning legal guns does not prevent bad people from using unlegal guns, or knives, or vans and trucks, to murder-kill. It only disarms the law abiding.
Which of his actual statements trigger you the hardest? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | The rights or wrongs of where the guns are coming from in $CURRENT_YEAR (M.C. is wrong, Ste is right) aside, they are coming, and they are being used. |
M.C wrote: | Edit: also came across this earlier. |
Tue 14 Nov 2017
So completely irrelevant?
Johnnythefox wrote: | We should gives blacks guns so that they can kill other blacks more 'efficiently' |
Here's the problem, with guns being hard to get hold of they're usually the preserve of serious criminals, or at least the nuclear option when it comes to solving disputes.
If you increase their availability they'll be used for any minor dispute, as knives are, and more worryingly street muggings etc. which they currently aren't. You then massively increase the collateral damage.
For example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17300327 - I don't think they would have accidentally knifed the 5 year old girl would they? |
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Fizzoid wrote: | Weren't the last few mass shootings in the US carried out by legal gun owners? |
The ones that have hit the headlines, yes. In gun free zones.
However, the mass of shootings and other gun crime are carried out by Dindus.
If you only care about the the headlines, then legal gun ownership is the bigliest problem. Apparently even the God Emperor can see past that though. The laugh is that he can use the CDC report commissioned and then buried by Obama to make that point.
Don't be dumberer than the God Emperor, please. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: |
The ones that have hit the headlines, yes. In gun free zones.
However, the mass of shootings and other gun crime are carried out by Dindus.
If you only care about the the headlines, then legal gun ownership is the bigliest problem. Apparently even the God Emperor can see past that though. The laugh is that he can use the CDC report commissioned and then buried by Obama to make that point.
Don't be dumberer than the God Emperor, please. |
Oh, I understand that most of the dindu/gang related killings go unreported, internationally at least, I'm just not sure arming the general populace is the solution
I mean, if I have a bad day at work, I may go home and kick the cat. What I don't do is go get my legally held AR, and shoot up the local cinema ____________________ Rogerborg wrote: It'd certainly make it easier to ego-find my own posts on pages, given the number of fags (gay like traps) who insist on putting my name in their .sig |
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Fizzoid wrote: | I mean, if I have a bad day at work, I may go home and kick the cat. What I don't do is go get my legally held AR, and shoot up the local cinema |
You could quite trivially obtain a legally held shotgun and do a pretty good job with large grape.
What you couldn't do is take it to the cinema to protect yourself from Evil Fizzoid's shotgun rampage.
However, it's interesting to note that totally illegal handguns are used by Dindu far, far more often than legally obtainable shotguns.
With gun crime rising, and the most popular weapon being the one that's completely banned, with no exceptions, wut do?
Double ban it? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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On Trump bashing.....
Oh dear, what are the Trump haterers going to say now that he has just got the captives home from North Korea.
I expect everyone else (read Obama, Merkel, mother Teresa) did it and Trump is just stealing the accolades.
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M.C wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | To the best of my recollection, all UK shootings since at least 1968 have occurred in "gun free zones". |
Humour me, how does this work in your head? Dindu has a gun and points it at another Dindu. Rogerborg of justice is nearby and takes out Dindu number one? I thought we didn't care about Dindu on Dindu? |
What? Of course I don't. Why on earth would I? I wish them the best of luck, with a double-fatality being the cheapest and most welcome outcome.
I only care about me and mine. I'd prefer Dindu to be unarmed (he won't be able to get a shooter legally due to having a criminal record despite him being a good boy anorl) and myself to be armed.
At the moment, at most one of us will be armed, likely with a knife - the God Emperor's point (and edge), remember - and it won't be our heroic taxpayer.
Rogerborg wrote: | Anyway I thought the problem wasn't with police but lawmakers? |
The problem is that we don't gas the Deltas and Omegas who are incapable of making an honest living, or unable to delay their gratification long enough to try.
That is primarily a political issue.
Rogerborg wrote: | Out of interest has anyone ever tried to mug you? |
Yes, outside Central Station in Glasgow Toon in the middle of the day by a "Gie's yer money" jakey or baghead, trembling fist raised. I was so politely bemused by the attempt that he was flummoxed, and simply sloped off.
That was a pushing on for 30 years ago though. Having seen what's swarming around there today, I doubt it would be as charming an anecdote now. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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M.C wrote: | I noticed you ignored my earlier question |
You could fill a whole forum section with questions that I ignore.
M.C wrote: | about where the (illegal) firearms in the US came from, when Reggie says they're smuggled into Chicago from other states. |
Yes, fewer legal guns = few unlegal guns.
But no legal guns != no unlegal guns.
It'll be just super when there are no gun and knives on UK streets - have you let the police know that's within their remit yet? Tell them that it'll prove Trump wrong, as opposed to right, which he currently is.
Rogerborg wrote: | Out of probably 50*+ mugging attempts [...] *the guys who waited outside our school regularly seeing who they could try and rob boosted this number somewhat. This culminated with a guy in the year above (who tried to fight back) getting slashed across his face. He was on his way to a GCSE exam |
And the teaching staff didn't intervene because they had no means to protect themselves.
Imagine if they did. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Gun crime: How do weapons appear on England's streets?
Over the bank holiday weekend, a spate of shootings across England hit the headlines. They add to a picture of rising gun crime, after more than a decade of big decreases.
Although gun-related offences have risen for the past four years, there were still less than half as many gun crimes in England and Wales last year as there were in the early 2000s.
Where do the guns come from?
Guns are very tightly controlled in the UK. Those that end up on the black market often start off as legal guns - but become illegal because they are modified or their licence status changes.
For example, a legal gun covered by a firearms licence could be stolen from a farm or firearms dealer.
Murdered MP Jo Cox was killed with a gun that had been stolen from someone who held it legally with a licence.
Also, non-firing ceremonial guns or race-starting pistols can be modified to fire bullets.
And decommissioned guns used in conflict can be reactivated - especially because the standards of "deactivation" vary around Europe and in some cases the process is very easy to reverse.
In 2017, Europol - the EU police agency - said: "The reactivation of deactivated weapons and conversion of blank-firing firearms are among the main sources of illegal firearms trafficked in the EU."
The National Crime Agency (NCA) in the UK says blank-firing and deactivated guns are bought legally by organised crime gangs in Europe who then "reactivate" them - often by removing an obstruction from the barrel - and sell them in the criminal market.
Some of these then end up in the UK, often coming from Eastern Europe, hidden in heavy goods vehicles, by sea or even in the post.
Guns or parts of guns are also traded online. In 2015, NCA officers seized a gun that had been sent to a man in the UK in the post, concealed within a radio.
And finally, there is a growing problem in the UK of antique guns that use obsolete kinds of ammunition being fitted with home-made bullets.
The problem with antiques
The National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) said that it was identifying more cases where home-made ammunition was used, nodding to a rise in the use of antique weapons by criminals.
"One of the trends which emerged over recent years is offenders increasingly using obsolete calibre or 'antique' firearms, which are easier to get hold of," it said.
In one high-profile case, Paul Edmunds, a registered firearms dealer, was jailed for making ammunition to fit antique guns, which he then sold to criminal gangs. His guns were linked to about 50 crime scenes.
NABIS manages the national database for all recovered firearms and ballistic material, including bullets and cases.
It runs forensic labs and works with police forces in England, Wales and Scotland to link this recovered ballistic material to guns, where no gun is recovered at a crime scene, and to crimes.
In 2015-16, 30% of the guns used in crime that the organisation recovered and tested were "obsolete calibre", meaning they were designed for ammunition no longer produced - in other words, antiques that have been repurposed to be used in crime. This represents a significant rise over the past five years.
The rise in the use of antique weapons is thought to be a sign that non-antique guns have become more difficult to obtain.
Gavin Hales, a former director of think tank the Police Foundation says the fact that individual guns are found to have been used in crimes committed by different individuals suggests that the number of illegal firearms in circulation is likely to be quite small.
"Evidence of particular guns popping up all over the country tells us something about how hard it is to get hold of them," he says, adding that high prices mean criminal guns often get sold on rather than being destroyed after being used.
However, it also serves as an indication of how much damage just a small number of guns in circulation can do.
What types of guns are being used?
Handguns were the most common type of firearm used to commit offences last year, according to police records.
Some of these will also be converted guns, for example Baikal handguns designed to fire gas canisters are modified to turn them into lethal weapons.
They are followed by "imitation weapons". This category, which includes antiques and blank-firing guns that have been converted to fire bullets, has grown the most over the past 10 years.
Dr Helen Poole, an expert in firearms crime, at the University of Northampton, says evidence from Europe that far more firearms are recorded as stolen than are seized suggests an increasing number in circulation.
How common are these crimes?
Gun crime remains rare in Britain.
In England and Wales in 2016-17, there were 31 fatal shootings - or one for every 1.9 million people.
And there were 9,578 weapons offences that resulted in injury.
In the US, in contrast, there were 11,000 murders or manslaughters involving a firearm or one death for every 30,000 people.
There are particular hotspots in the police force areas that cover large urban centres.
London had the most firearms offences per head of population, followed by the West Midlands force area, covering Birmingham, West Yorkshire, covering Leeds, and South Yorkshire, serving Sheffield.
Last year:
- just over half of all firearms offences involved a gun actually being fired
- in just under half of cases, a gun was used as a threat
- in a small minority of cases, a gun was used as a blunt instrument
- There is evidence of a genuine rise in crime - NHS figures reveal an increase in hospital admissions in England for assault by firearm discharge.
But part of the increase in recorded offences could also be down to the police prioritising gun crime. As they focus more of their efforts on looking for these crimes, they find more.
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