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Very good of you to post the same link that I already posted. Ste for banning Ste.
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| M.C wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | A disarmed populace is neither polite, nor safe. |
But still safer than an armed one, which seems to be the point you and your messiah are missing. |
I'm looking at the trends. US violent crime in decreasing, UK violent crime is increasing. We're talking about wut do in the future, yes?
| Rogerborg wrote: | Hang about isn't that basically all the wrong stuff I was saying earlier?  |
Oh, sure, but it's Al Beeb, so of course they're not going to say "... yeah, plus all the guns and parts that come in from EUia".
If you read the actual report, it tells a different story. Or rather, it tells much less of a story, and Al Beeb have drawn inferences far beyond the meagre data. You'll note that one of their sources is their own article from 2013. That would be half a decade ago.
What it does show is that the use of obsolete calibre shooters has fallen sharply, the opposite of what Al Beeb just claimed. Again for luck, the past might be interesting, but we'll have to live (or otherwise) in the future.
https://i.imgur.com/wzIMjoa.png
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| Posted: 18:25 - 11 May 2018 Post subject: |
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| Rogerborg wrote: |
I'm looking at the trends. US violent crime in decreasing, UK violent crime is increasing. We're talking about wut do in the future, yes? |
Isn't that from a much higher base in the US though? As I said (I think twice) earlier this is only the latest spike, I'm not going to go all Helen Lovejoy like the media are doing.
| Rogerborg wrote: | Oh, sure, but it's Al Beeb, so of course they're not going to say "... yeah, plus all the guns and parts that come in from EUia". |
'Some of these then end up in the UK, often coming from Eastern Europe, hidden in heavy goods vehicles, by sea or even in the post.'
| Rogerborg wrote: | If you read the actual report, it tells a different story. Or rather, it tells much less of a story, and Al Beeb have drawn inferences far beyond the meagre data. You'll note that one of their sources is their own article from 2013. That would be half a decade ago.
What it does show is that the use of obsolete calibre shooters has fallen sharply, the opposite of what Al Beeb just claimed. Again for luck, the past might be interesting, but we'll have to live (or otherwise) in the future.
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Careful now, the report actually says...
There is a continuing trend in the recovery of revolvers capable of
chambering and discharging obsolete calibre ammunition and many
reported cases that demonstrate ammunition suitable for use in these
firearms is being used in the criminal use of firearms in the UK.
I'm pretending I didn't see the graph as you didn't embed it properly (I fixed it in the quote)  |
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I can see it just fine. Maybe one of your ethnic bretheren down there helped themselves to it? Although it can't be true, apparently most of them don't know how to work. 
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| Posted: 19:33 - 11 May 2018 Post subject: |
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Hmm I thought bcf didn't like https links. I still can't see it |
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| M.C wrote: | Shall I say it thrice? |
No, we already get that after a few good years, violent crime is currently on increase due to imported violence, imported weapons, and a catastrophic change in policing priorities.
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Careful now, the report actually says...
There is a continuing trend in the recovery of revolvers capable of
chambering and discharging obsolete calibre ammunition and many
reported cases that demonstrate ammunition suitable for use in these
firearms is being used in the criminal use of firearms in the UK.
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What firearms would those be? Flintlock pistols?
It's funny the beeb article doesn't mention the changes to deacts and the other nonsense brought in last year with the Policing and Crime Act. |
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Off duty copper with gun slots Dindu up a treat.
Not strictly relevant to the topic of a disarmed populace, but an exemplar of how only guns can stop those who aren't stopped by gun laws. Consider the relative size and ages of the participants and ponder how that would have gone if she weren't armed.
Plus, absolutely hilarious. Look at the expression on soon-to-be-dead-Dindu's face: what's Portuguese for "But, but, you shot me! For real!" 
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I think that's kind of Trumps point about concealed carry lecturers in their education establishments.
Quicker there's a good guy with a gun there, quicker it gets stopped.
Talking of dindus, I suppose they could just hire more like this guy. My money is on ex dindu made good.
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Fair enough, it's exactly Trump's point. 
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Off duty copper with gun slots Dindu up a treat.
Not strictly relevant to the topic of a disarmed populace, but an exemplar of how only guns can stop those who aren't stopped by gun laws. Consider the relative size and ages of the participants and ponder how that would have gone if she weren't armed.
Plus, absolutely hilarious. Look at the expression on soon-to-be-dead-Dindu's face: what's Portuguese for "But, but, you shot me! For real!" |
Also consider how close that little girls head was, someone without the proper training could have easily missed.
| grr666 wrote: | Quicker there's a good guy with a gun there, quicker it gets stopped. |
Except when they wait outside quivering like the last time: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43164634 |
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| M.C wrote: | Also consider how close that little girls head was, someone without the proper training could have easily missed. |
And someone without a gun could and would easily have done nothing.
Old navy rules, stick it in their gut and pull the trigger. Good show.
You realise that's a great argument in favour of arming the law abiding targets rather than telling them to duck-and-cover and hope for a third party to intervene, yes?
See also Bataclan, Pulse, and pretty much any robbery committed anywhere, ever.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Off duty copper with gun slots Dindu up a treat.
Not strictly relevant to the topic of a disarmed populace, but an exemplar of how only guns can stop those who aren't stopped by gun laws. Consider the relative size and ages of the participants and ponder how that would have gone if she weren't armed.
Plus, absolutely hilarious. Look at the expression on soon-to-be-dead-Dindu's face: what's Portuguese for "But, but, you shot me! For real!" |
I like the way she kicks him over. Good girl
Our soft twats would be asking him oif he was OK and would he like to make a complaint. Diane would be saying 'He's black, he must be innocent, he was set up by the white racist bitch.'
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| M.C wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | You realise that's a great argument in favour of arming the law abiding targets rather than telling them to duck-and-cover and hope for a third party to intervene, yes? |
Is it? |
Yes, it is. That's why I said it.
| M.C wrote: | You're assuming everyone has a) the training/experience to take down the target and b) the nerve. |
I'm asserting that without a firearm, you have little to no chance against a firearmed aggressor.
Why don't you want wamen and children to have a chance against an armed male? Are you... [looks over his shoulder, stage whispers] can you get me into The Patriarchy?
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Guns are only as good as the opportunity allows.
The perp is coming to do crime and probably has his shootur loaded and ready.
The 'armed' by-stander probably is not holding a gun.
I will favour the perp in that situation.
Handling a gun involve a lot of muscle memory. Lots of folk who own guns probably do not regularly practice or train.
There may be lots of reason to own a gun maybe more reason lots of folk should not.
Most of the Septics I work with who own guns do not own 'a gun' they usually own several. 'For Huntin' they say. 
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I like how they all fucked off and left her to explain without affording her witnesses. Just imagine if that camera was not working.
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You say guns = safety. I say guns might = safety if the person holding one has the nerve and skill to use it. If a trained officer thinks f**k this, I doubt an English teacher will be willing to go all Die Hard.
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