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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought you'd be pleased I'm subscribing to your 60-80 IQ theory

https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

However, where the immortal leader of the gammon race Hitler and I differ is whether the requirements on and treatment of human beings should be coloured by their genotype.

I should say, OI! NO!

One species, one standard.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown,_London ?

Genuine "?", I've never been. Some choppy-hands, no doubt, but I bet they pay their taxes, or at least pay off the tax inspectors handsomely.

I have, took a South African girl on a date there once. Grubby and dirty, went to a restaurant (quelle surprise) and was
appalled by the hurry up and eat so we can get someone else in your seat attitude. Quite literally standing over us until
we left Slightly more honourable attempts to get their hands on Gweilos money granted, but greedy is greedy in
my book. Doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see the places as fronts for organised crime, but I'm suspicious like that.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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went to a restaurant (quelle surprise) and was
appalled by the hurry up and eat so we can get someone else in your seat attitude.

Well, we've established that love is transactional in China-China-Chinatown.

I'd assumed all London eatieries are like that, I've always felt barely tolerated there. Then again, they might just all be horrible waycists. I hear that's their strength.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, regular as a stuck glock, another gun free school massacre.

"High achiever", which is why it seems that he slotted the single armed schoolcop early doors, thereby making it a completely gun free zone. Bonus round!

No signs, apart from poor personal hygiene, no friends, murder trenchcoat and boots, "born to kill" t-shirt, national socialist, communist, and occult symbols, posting pictures of knives and guns. But, no signs.

Ban assault shotguns and fully automatic revolvers, I say. Because making unreasonable, unrealistic demands is a productive way to alter reality.


Aside, nice bit of analysis by Alt-Stefan Right-Molyneux on the recent Florida gun-spree revealing the lies told about the no-signs school shooter who, gasps, turns out had a lengthy history of crime, violence and mentalism, was referred to their flagship anti-massacre programme but never showed up (with no consequence), but was never referred to police because the schools are paid millions not to do so because it makes reality look bad.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
grr666 wrote:
went to a restaurant (quelle surprise) and was
appalled by the hurry up and eat so we can get someone else in your seat attitude.

Well, we've established that love is transactional in China-China-Chinatown.

I'd assumed all London eatieries are like that, I've always felt barely tolerated there. Then again, they might just all be horrible waycists. I hear that's their strength.

I remember going to Wong Kei's as a student specifically because the service was said to be an "interesting" experience. I figured that it was really a Chinese fast food canteen, a fuelling station which the Brits mistook for a place you could spend your leisure time in.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2014/feb/24/rudest-restaurant-london-wong-kei
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
it seems that he slotted the single armed schoolcop early doors,


Always going to happen, it's the equivalent of the street fight sucker punch.

If the response is to arm everybody the crossfire will kill far more than the lone gunman could.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the response is to arm everybody the crossfire will kill far more than the lone gunman could.

Yes, I'm sure that will be a great comfort to those killed and wounded by this chap. How about you contact the injured survivors and let them know that it was really in their own best interest to be helpless to defend themselves?

How about just arming the teachers?

How about just allowing them to be armed?

So that Trenchcoat McJackboots can't be absolutely sure that he'll be safe if he can just slot the (at most) single cop who isn't fit for any other duties, or who will just cower in the bushes outside.

Of course, he can simply target classes run by wamen, pacifists or leftists, so I guess it's not going to be a huge deterrent in public schools.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns. It is probably too late for the USA, it would be nigh on impossible to disarm everyone, but let's not bring the same gun culture to the UK.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns.

I get that you don't agree, but that's an opinion, not an argument.

In the context of the USA - and the God Emperor - is it a rational, pragmatic opinion to hold? Will holding it reduce the number of good people murdered by bad people and mentals?

They're not going to get rid of guns. They might tinker with the definition of assault-style guns, but shotguns and handguns, no chance. In particular, they've not going to get rid of the magnum number of 357 million guns that are already there.

So, in the context of that reality, what do?


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It is probably too late for the USA, it would be nigh on impossible to disarm everyone, but let's not bring the same gun culture to the UK.

Sure, let's keep legal guns out, and just stick to knives and acid. And illegal guns.

OK, so in the UK only criminals are armed, but don't they mostly prey on each other? Well, and bikers. And everybody else.

But if we let law abiding people defend themselves when they are attacked, then criminals might get more violent when they attack people who can't defend themselves.

Really, we should just leave wads of bills hanging out of our pockets so that they aren't forced to use violence to get them.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns.

I get that you don't agree, but that's an opinion, not an argument.

No, the recent shooter like so many others used his parent's legally held weapons.

Rogerborg wrote:
So, in the context of that reality, what do?

In the USA, I don't know, but my concern is that their self-made problems are being translated into an argument for loosening gun controls here.

Rogerborg wrote:
How about you contact the injured survivors and let them know that it was really in their own best interest to be helpless to defend themselves?

How many of them are responding by calling for weapons, I wonder, and how many for sensible gun control?

Rogerborg wrote:
OK, so in the UK only criminals are armed, but don't they mostly prey on each other? Well, and bikers. And everybody else.

I'd say gun and knife crime is largely confined within (between) criminal gangs, especially relating to drugs. Not many school shootings here.

Rogerborg wrote:
But if we let law abiding people defend themselves when they are attacked, then criminals might get more violent when they attack people who can't defend themselves.

Really, we should just leave wads of bills hanging out of our pockets so that they aren't forced to use violence to get them.

A society in which all members are equipped and ready to kill in response to any sort of grievance would be a far more dangerous one.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns. It is probably too late for the USA, it would be nigh on impossible to disarm everyone, but let's not bring the same gun culture to the UK.


I bet the US are praying that UK knife culture doesn't come to the US too.


Bring a knife to a gunfight, you say?
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
They both kill.

London so far this year, 62 deaths, 36 of which were stabbings.
New York - 21 death so far, according to this...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5251268/london-stabbings-2018-knife-crime-statistics-barking-ruislip-hackney-latest/

We need to get our own house in order before we start lecturing the US.

'Last year, the American city suffered 292 killings and London 130'.

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/169F2/production/_100685629_chart-londonnymurdernumbers-rutke-nc.png

So we'll really have to have a bumper year to beat them.

Also... https://heyjackass.com - oh look they've had two self-defence killings out of 186 so far in 2018 Clapping
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also... https://heyjackass.com - oh look they've had two self-defence killings out of 186 so far in 2018 Clapping

And how many killings have legally held guns stopped from even making it to the stats?

In Chicago, not many, I guess, because they have strict gun prohibition there.

And how's that working out for them?


Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns.

QFT.

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
No, the recent shooter like so many others used his parent's legally held weapons.

Which already existed. And he got access to them.

Again for luck, there are (estimates very) 357 milllion guns extant in the USA.

In most States, anyone who wants to get access to a gun can in practice get access to a gun, either legally, or illegally.

In that context, increasing access (your words) is neither here nor there. Access is trivial.

The issue is who will be carrying them, and who will be using them.

If law abiding victims aren't carrying them, then only the nefarious will be carryig them.

How's that working out for them in "gun free zones"?


Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
In the USA, I don't know, but my concern is that their self-made problems are being translated into an argument for loosening gun controls here.

It's a reasonable concern, but on the other hand, it's not going anywhere. All of our political party (sic) are rampantly anti-gun. We have no constitution (OK, Bill of Rights, Protestants, arms, but within the "rule of law") and we'll only ever double down on prohibition here.

Fret not, you're not going to be allowed to defend yourself, for your own safety.


Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
How about you contact the injured survivors and let them know that it was really in their own best interest to be helpless to defend themselves?

How many of them are responding by calling for weapons, I wonder, and how many for sensible gun control?

When you tell them that they're lucky that they weren't armed, you can ask them.



Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I'd say gun and knife crime is largely confined within (between) criminal gangs, especially relating to drugs.

And I'd advocate minimum blade lengths for that purpose, as dead gangstas are cheaper than crippled ones.

That's traditionally been the case, or it's domestic violence or mentals which you can't really legislate for. However, there does seem to be a trend towards knife and acid attacks against robbery victims in urban areas, which we might want to keep an eye on.


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A society in which all members are equipped and ready to kill in response to any sort of grievance would be a far more dangerous one.

But politer.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US schools' shooting problem is all about easy access to guns. The kid could have applied for a gun licence legally (trying not to let on that he wanted to run amok in school) and waited, or he could have risked delving into the local underworld to buy an illegal weapon without giving himself away to the police. But why bother when you've got easy access to Dad's gun locker, because Dad can get a gun licence and a variety of weapons easily?
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 19 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
M.C wrote:
Also... https://heyjackass.com - oh look they've had two self-defence killings out of 186 so far in 2018 Clapping

And how many killings have legally held guns stopped from even making it to the stats?

In Chicago, not many, I guess, because they have strict gun prohibition there.

And how's that working out for them?

https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg

Look up stats from other US cities and it's a similar story. St. Louis in an open carry state would be a good example.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The US schools' shooting problem is all about easy access to guns.

Kawasaki Jimbo" wrote:
I just don't agree that the answer to gun crime is to increase the availability of guns.

Opposing a change to the status quo in one direction does not imply advocating a change in the other.

If you're proposing a solution, I'd be interested to hear what it is. Precisely, and without any vague implied negatives or fuzziness over terminology.


Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The kid could have applied for a gun licence legally

No, he couldn't.

First, "gun licences" do not exist in Texas.

Second, he's 17, and so under State and Federal law couldn't legally purchase any firearms. Long guns at 18, handguns at 21. Concealed carry permit (which is not a "gun license") at 21.

Perhaps before we come up with a solution to Murcan gun violence, we could first agree on the basic facts of the current situation.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps before we come up with a solution to Murcan gun violence, we could first agree on the basic facts of the current situation.

I said I'm not proposing a solution to the US's problem, I'm saying comparatively easy access to guns enables the mentally-deranged to do serious damage. Even if we had the same disturbed individuals in our schools they would have great difficulty because the UK isn't flooded with guns, well not yet anyway; not until you get your wish to equip everyone with the means to kill. I think that would be the wrong approach.

mpd72 wrote:
If he couldn't use guns, he could easily have had access to various other weapons. Maybe Daddy had a chainsaw?

Unless the chainsaw has the range and speed of a bullet I'd consider the gunman to be more dangerous. Yes, you can kill and maim with all sorts of common or garden items but they're not designed for the purpose.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's give nutjobs access to the best weapons available because, hey they're gonna do it anyway. Thinking
Anyway, if you want to talk about terror attacks there's no need; Brendan Cox has come up with a 5-point plan and made the survivors sign it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44187965
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

not having guns upholds that fine British tradition of make do and mend, our peaceful religious types are more creative than the yank ones, guns make people lazy.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 20 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Look up stats from other US cities and it's a similar story. St. Louis in an open carry state would be a good example.

It sounds like you're saying that prohibiting law abiding people from carrying guns has no effect on gun crime.

But that can't be right. Eh?
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