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PostPosted: 13:22 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Now the new stricter MOT has come into force, has anyone had any trouble with their bikes?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018

Just reading on the GOV uk website and trying to understand whether or not I can take my vehicle home to repair it after an MOT failure?

The page seems to contradict itself, initially suggesting you can only take the vehicle away if it still has a valid MOT, then later stating you may take it away to have it repaired. But it does not suggest you can't take it away to repair it yourself, so wondering whether there's any accompanying legislation which clarifies?

https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test

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Driving a vehicle that’s failed

You can take your vehicle away if your MOT certificate is still valid.

If your MOT has run out you can take your vehicle to:

have the failed defects fixed
a pre-arranged MOT test appointment
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
Just reading on the GOV uk website and trying to understand whether or not I can take my vehicle home to repair it after an MOT failure?

Depends what it fails on. If it's in the dangerous category then you cannot drive the vehicle until it’s been repaired.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
Just reading on the GOV uk website and trying to understand whether or not I can take my vehicle home to repair it after an MOT failure?


That seems to be repeating the exemptions in VERA (1994), although Ste is right, if it's failed because its unroadworthy you are screwed.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could always call RAC and say it's broken down and get them to tow it home.

But there again, who wants to bring a POS home?
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's the 6th today, so two weeks until it comes into force then. Also hire van, drive it home in that if it's a failure.
B&Q do van hire by the hour. It was £14ph last time I did it. Inclusive of fuel. So hardly a bank breaker if you don't want
to chance the ANPR. Different story with cars of course but all you need is a mate with another car or van, some
masking tape (to foil ANPR), an "On Tow" sign and a tow rope. No biggie.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Jim Mc wrote:
Just reading on the GOV uk website and trying to understand whether or not I can take my vehicle home to repair it after an MOT failure?


That seems to be repeating the exemptions in VERA (1994), although Ste is right, if it's failed because its unroadworthy you are screwed.


So a lesson to be learned here, get your bike tested at a local and trusted bike shop just to be safe.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
But it's the 6th today, so two weeks until it comes into force then. Also hire van, drive it home in that if it's a failure.
B&Q do van hire by the hour. It was £14ph last time I did it. Inclusive of fuel. So hardly a bank breaker if you don't want
to chance the ANPR. Different story with cars of course but all you need is a mate with another car or van, some
masking tape (to foil ANPR), an "On Tow" sign and a tow rope. No biggie.


I better get my 9R in quick then! not that I have any problem with the garage that does my MOT. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't look like there's much different there.

Same duty of care as if you took it in for a service and they found something dangerous, they'd advise you not to ride it until it was fixed. Doesn't actually stop you doing that, to the best of my knowledge, only the police, VOSA inspectors and traffic officers have the ability to stop you proceeding with a journey. It would be illegal to ride a bike with a dangerous fault regardless of when that fault occurred, doesn't just need to be at the MOT.

They're not going to stand in front of you and stop you taking it out of the yard though. Do what you want. Just be aware if you get stopped and they find a dangerous fault, you're in trouble. Or you might crash and die. Or kill someone else. I've ridden a bike with a snapped front brake cable before today, would have been busted if I was caught.

The MOT exemption for riding to and from a pre-arranged repair is the same as ever and it was always the case that a dangerous vehicle is a dangerous vehicle regardless of what piece of paper or exemtions there are.

In fact, there isn't anything that does make a dangerous vehicle "legal". You could have travelled 100 yards from an MOT pass when something happens to make it dangerous and your fresh MOT certificate isn't a get out of jail free card. Could have blown every bulb on the bike and had the split link fall apart by the end of the road.

EDIT: Driving without an MOT is not endorsable. Technically can be fined up to £1000, more often you'd get a £100 FPN. I'm not at all convinced ANPR even flags it. I've inadvertantly ridden bikes with no MOT for months at a time and only noticed when it refused to let me re-tax them.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

EDIT: Driving without an MOT is not endorsable. Technically can be fined up to £1000, more often you'd get a £100 FPN. I'm not at all convinced ANPR even flags it. I've inadvertantly ridden bikes with no MOT for months at a time and only noticed when it refused to let me re-tax them.

From a police cars waiting by the exit to services on the M25 a couple of years ago, it does.
People I know have often gone for extended periods with the, ah, 'inadvertently' forgotten MOTs; one of them having the above experience, then stopping, deciding the many hundreds saved over the years was worth it.

For the MOT place - they could threaten to report you to the police.
"Well, I'm just going to push it around the corner to my friend's van." Or "I'll lock it up outside here and collect it this evening in a van." and on on.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For the MOT place - they could threaten to report you to the police.


They could. But word gets round so it would be pretty bad for business. If one did that to me, I'd tell anyone who would listen for years afterwards.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'm not at all convinced ANPR even flags it. I've inadvertantly ridden bikes with no MOT for months at a time and only noticed when it refused to let me re-tax them.


I got busted for no current MOT as I parked up in a bike bay in Glezga coz the PoPo (and his pretty Lady PC) colleague got the shout from their cool 3 series BMW's APNR.

The PoPo said to me he would have given my a producer but the APNR reports to HQ as soon as it sees you. So it was an automatic fine.

£100.

Bastirt APNR. I thought it was to help fight crinimals not cnuts who just had an administration glitch.
POS got MOT'd 1 hour later that same afternoon too. Just out of spite for the system. Init Sad
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
If it's in the dangerous category then you cannot drive the vehicle until it’s been repaired.

If you rode it there, you probably can ride it away.

Maybe that word doesn't mean what one of us thinks that it means.

It would be no more or less of an offence to ride a dangerous bike before or after a failed MOT.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/945120/MOT-test-check-fine-UK-May-2018-car

Food for thought.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose if you're riding it home to repair it and then that could make it even more ambiguously vague. Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 06 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


They could. But word gets round so it would be pretty bad for business. If one did that to me, I'd tell anyone who would listen for years afterwards.

Alas, I've seen plenty of places local and national, bikes and cars that a lot of people 'put the word around' about the terrible service and they still continue to be profitable.
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Alas, I've seen plenty of places local and national, bikes and cars that a lot of people 'put the word around' about the terrible service and they still continue to be profitable.


And I've seen one go under, and another nearly so, the latter on the back of (demonstrably false) rumours.

Reputation can ruin you incredibly quickly. The first place was caught not doing things they charged for. Documented and proven. They tried to stonewall, double down and lie. then video emerged. They went in 18 months. Only a small local, but they were popular before that incident.

Could you do that to a main dealer? Probably, with that kind of proof and this being the age of social media.
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

They could. But word gets round so it would be pretty bad for business. If one did that to me, I'd tell anyone who would listen for years afterwards.


But Kwik Fit??? Those monkeys never seem to go under despite years of fleecing people and straight up lying to peoples
faces about work that doesn't need doing. Mechanical taqiya if I ever saw it because they repeatedly tell us they're 'the
boys to trust', and people fall for it over and over again.
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:

They could. But word gets round so it would be pretty bad for business. If one did that to me, I'd tell anyone who would listen for years afterwards.


But Kwik Fit??? Those monkeys never seem to go under despite years of fleecing people and straight up lying to peoples
faces about work that doesn't need doing.


Numbers and inclination.

There are far more car drivers that give no fucks about what happens under the bonnet, most are willfully ignorant and pay the stupid/lazy tax accordingly. We are fewer, and we generally do our own servicing and have, for the most part, at least a rudimentary knowledge of what goes on with our bikes. They're chasing a smaller market, and that market is more clued up, being smaller, it takes much less to damage, rightly or wrongly, a reputation.
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I've just handed £200 quid over to Fowlers for a service on mine. But they spotted a worn part that
shouldn't be at 1800 miles and have set the warranty claim in motion so it's fixed for free. Dat main agent ting.
Bikes running beautifully though and they have been very decent with me, courtesy bike was free (usually £18) and
I used all of the full tank of fuel it came with spanking it around on Saturday in the sunshine and returned it empty.
They know I have my eye on the MT10, can comfortably afford one and if I do buy one then it's likely going to be from there.
I could probably do more to my bike than I do, but it's a toy so I prefer to spend my spare time playing with it.
I do enjoy fitting new bits and pieces though, to make it 'my own' if you like. I never realised they only did the Sport
Tracker variant for 1 year. Yamaha won't sell you any of the Spacker specific parts unless you can prove you have one
of them already. Why it says Sport Tracker on the V5, I guess. It may turn out to be a canny purchase yet.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a difference between willfully ignorant, and not needing to but can. If it came to the crunch most of us can do what's needed. IME, most car drivers can't. Those that do generally care about the cars, and drive looked after ones. To most drivers, it's a tool, but they don't earn a living from it, so they don't care.
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
To be fair, I've just handed £200 quid over to Fowlers for a service on mine. But they spotted a worn part that
shouldn't be at 1800 miles and have set the warranty claim in motion so it's fixed for free. Dat main agent ting.
Bikes running beautifully though and they have been very decent with me, courtesy bike was free (usually £18) and
I used all of the full tank of fuel it came with spanking it around on Saturday in the sunshine and returned it empty.
They know I have my eye on the MT10, can comfortably afford one and if I do buy one then it's likely going to be from there.
I could probably do more to my bike than I do, but it's a toy so I prefer to spend my spare time playing with it.
I do enjoy fitting new bits and pieces though, to make it 'my own' if you like. I never realised they only did the Sport
Tracker variant for 1 year. Yamaha won't sell you any of the Spacker specific parts unless you can prove you have one
of them already. Why it says Sport Tracker on the V5, I guess. It may turn out to be a canny purchase yet.


I was tempted to pay for the 16k service on the crossrunner I've just picked up because I can't really be arsed doing it at the moment. That was until Honda quoted me £633 Including the valve checks. I'll do it myself thanks. Valves can wait till winter.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
To be fair, I've just handed £200 quid over to Fowlers for a service on mine. But they spotted a worn part that
shouldn't be at 1800 miles and have set the warranty claim in motion so it's fixed for free. Dat main agent ting.
Bikes running beautifully though and they have been very decent with me, courtesy bike was free (usually £18)


Fowlers reputation is everything to them and so they tend to live up to the promises of their warrenties.

The stator on the strumpet crapped itself a month and a half after I bought the it and they fixed it under the 3 month warrenty that they gave to that age second hand bikes without even blinking.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Stricter MOT Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Jim Mc wrote:
Just reading on the GOV uk website and trying to understand whether or not I can take my vehicle home to repair it after an MOT failure?


That seems to be repeating the exemptions in VERA (1994), although Ste is right, if it's failed because its unroadworthy you are screwed.



How does this work if you take your vehicle to an MOT station that doesn't do repairs though?

My local car MOT place only repairs trucks but will MOT anything with four wheels or more.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd have to leave your bike there and eventually it'll become property of the MOT station. Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 07 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Fowlers reputation is everything to them and so they tend to live up to the promises of their warrenties.

If it was, you'd think they'd have bothered to check the innertube in my new KTM was positioned correctly when installing, then in the PDI. Smile

Also, treated me as a person that wanted to buy a bike, not a cog in a sales process!
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