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PostPosted: 09:31 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glasgow [...] "You're free to inspect the traffic orders. In person. At our office. They're in a locked filing cabinet, in a flooded basement between 3 and 4am on the first Thursday of every month without an R in it. Watch out for the leopard."

This is an exaggeration.

But only a very little.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

They trialed bikes in buslanes in Doncaster with great fanfare, on one stretch of buslane that cuts from left to right across a dual carriageway at a traffic lights. One of the ongoing complaints is most of the regular detection loops don't trigger on motorcycles, so this was doomed to failure from the start. Nothing was mentioned and nobody noticed when the motorcycle silhouette disappeared from the handful of signs. What would be really handy would be letting bikes through the hundred yards or so of busses and authorised vehicles only roads in the middle of town that connect the convenient parking spots.

Meanwhile one valley over in Royston (Vasey)*, Carlton and I think I've seen these in Barnsley now as well, there are Local Bus lanes for Local Busses Only.

I got stopped by a policeman with a bee in his bonnet in wakefield because I bimbled down the inside of queuing traffic using the bus lane a few weeks ago. Panda car in the queue spots me and the lights go on. I pull up, engine off, step off, and the enthusiastic policeman is already swaggering over as i'm juggling helmet and glasses. I put my helmet down, glasses back on, and realise he's looking at me like he's said something and expects an answer. Digging my earplugs out I say: "Sorry, I didn't catch what you said, but I think the clock on my dash must be wrong, I thought it was about quarter past six."

"What's that got to do with you being int bus lane?"

I look over my shoulder at the lamp post behind me. There is a long awkward silence.

"You're not from these parts are you?" he finally asks.

"Well, no, but what in particular gave it away?"

"Nobody here's read the sign."


*1198, please note that's the next valley over, or have they started selling special stuff at the local butchers for local people here too?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Why no motorcycles allowed in bus lanes!! Reply with quote

DJP wrote:
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Meanwhile, back in the real world... ... Mr. Green

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PostPosted: 16:48 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bristol:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/parking/bus-lane-enforcement

Or, to summarise: "motorcycles can use all the bus lanes, except the ones they can't."

ffs.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil Hans wrote:
Bristol:

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/parking/bus-lane-enforcement

Or, to summarise: "motorcycles can use all the bus lanes, except the ones they can't."

ffs.

Sounds familiar: Motorcycles are allowed into bus lanes on most of the Capital's red routes.

How the c**ting f**k is that meant to be helpful?
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 15 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Y'all need to move to Liverpool. Very Happy

Thankfully our city council had the common sense to scrap bus lanes (except for the city centre) as they realised they caused more problems than they solved. Dance!
Wish they'd do that round my manor.
Due largely to the bus lane on the A1010 Hertford road, during rush hour you can genuinely walk the 2 miles from my house to Waltham Cross quicker than you can drive it, and I aint a fast walker!
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the justification for allowing motorcycles in the bus lane at all, rather than allowing other classes of vehicle? Don't get me wrong, it would suit me down to the ground, but if I was a car driver I'd probably be asking why bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qyburn wrote:
What's the justification for allowing motorcycles in the bus lane at all, rather than allowing other classes of vehicle? Don't get me wrong, it would suit me down to the ground, but if I was a car driver I'd probably be asking why bikes.


So encourage you to get a bike and follow them down the none congested bus lane Very Happy
Just a thought!!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qyburn wrote:
What's the justification for allowing motorcycles in the bus lane at all

What's the justification for having bus lanes at all?

It's just about encouraging types of transportation that councils want, versus punishing those that they don't.

The odd bus-lane user out might be viewed as taxis and minicabs, which are often ancient or poorly maintained diesels doing single (paying) occupant journeys in the most congested areas.

Weirdly, Glasgow allows taxis and private hires in bus lanes but not motorcycles, while Edinburgh allows taxis and motorcycles but not private hires.

Whimsy all the way down.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

What's the justification for having bus lanes at all?

Bus companies get fined for not keeping to timetable.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

What's the justification for having bus lanes at all?

Bus companies get fined for not keeping to timetable.

Not the council's problem though.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's just about encouraging types of transportation that councils want, versus punishing those that they don't.

Rightly or wrongly I just don't think either local or central government wants to encourage motorcycle use nowadays. There was some sort of stated policy in the early 2000s, but you don't see a lot of actual encouragement. On the contrary the successive licence changes are an actual discouragement.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qyburn wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
It's just about encouraging types of transportation that councils want, versus punishing those that they don't.

Rightly or wrongly I just don't think either local or central government wants to encourage motorcycle use nowadays. There was some sort of stated policy in the early 2000s, but you don't see a lot of actual encouragement. On the contrary the successive licence changes are an actual discouragement.


Yes, absolute discouragement but you can drive your 1 to 2 ton's with less licence aggravation and do more damage. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not even a mention about Motorcycles in the master plan.
https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/5.16%20Congestion_report_v03.pdf

WTF!!
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qyburn wrote:
Rightly or wrongly I just don't think either local or central government wants to encourage motorcycle use nowadays.

It seems that way. Glasgow barely tolerate us, and are getting quite snippy with me when I point out that they're losing bike space faster than they're putting it in.

All the decision makers are on expenses and/or have parking, so what do they care?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Qyburn wrote:
Rightly or wrongly I just don't think either local or central government wants to encourage motorcycle use nowadays.

It seems that way. Glasgow barely tolerate us, and are getting quite snippy with me when I point out that they're losing bike space faster than they're putting it in.

All the decision makers are on expenses and/or have parking, so what do they care?


"decision makers" What a joke, just want to get the heads in the money trough and watch porn..
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

HappyDays wrote:
Not even a mention about Motorcycles in the master plan.
https://www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/5.16%20Congestion_report_v03.pdf

WTF!!

MAG thread...
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here in Plymouth, bus lanes proliferate and cause plenty of congestion for cagers (reduced road capacity), however bikes can use them 24/7 which is good, although during instruction for DAS and during tests they are not entered.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 17 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
...although during instruction for DAS and during tests they are not entered.

That's interesting, I was expected to use them on my DAS training. Amusingly my Mod 2 examiner was in a car and
asked me to not use them during the test because he couldn't follow me in. He made a point of mentioning it before we set off.
Presumably had I been tested by an examiner on 2 wheels the expectation would have been to use them?
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnnythefox wrote:
although during instruction for DAS and during tests they are not entered.

Up here, you'd get failed for not using one. If we could use one, which we can't. But we would if we could.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from Wycombe and the police are cunts around here because of all the moped crime
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

ART-ADS wrote:
I'm from Wycombe and the police are cunts around here because of all the moped crime

It's an interesting and informative observation, but what does it have to do with bus lanes?
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Johnnythefox wrote:
although during instruction for DAS and during tests they are not entered.

Up here, you'd get failed for not using one. If we could use one, which we can't. But we would if we could.


Same down here. Fortunately the route I went didn't have any in the end, because I would most assuredly have forgotten (The examiner told me that, having panicked and taken the wrong turn at a roundabout and got us snarled up for 20 minutes in traffic, I would have been failed for "failing to make progress" if we had been stuck there much longer.)

TBH I still only use them infrequently, they make me mildly nervous.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't even have bus lanes in Chesterfield, but we do in Sheffield (where i work) and luckily they are all usable by bikes (well all the ones i need to use anyway)

And i can't see Sheffield Council spending anymore money than necessary to change all the road signs, they are broke enough as it is
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 18 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
And i can't see Sheffield Council spending anymore money than necessary to change all the road signs, they are broke enough as it is

Glasgow Toon's excuse a few years back was "There is no approved road sign, we'd have to apply to the Secr'y Statetransport and he's English and a Tory. ENGLISH OOT. MAGGIE STOLE OOR MILK. NAE POLL TAX HERE." or words to that effect.

Now that there are approved signs, their excuse is "Shove it, peasant." Which is at least more honest.
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