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Did you happen to get it between J6 and J4. I may be feeling a hit on the wallet given the weekends enjoyment. |
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ColinK98 wrote: | The wife opened the letter and it says 3 points and £100 [BRIBE] or go to court. |
For her? That's harsh.
What you should have received was a notice of intended prosecution, plus a S172 demand to incriminate yourself.
After you've done so, you might be offered a Kitten Kourse. You won't get offered it right off the bat because they don't know who the driver is, and need to check that you haven't done one in the last 3 years.
Kent and Medway are very coy about the thresholds for their Kourses, but NPCC says +10% + 2mph - 9mph.
Ooh, sorry, you're 1mph over. Pay the "fine" or lawyer up. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Disclaimer - I'm a magistrate so know a bit about the processes here, but I can't give advice on these things. This is general information only!
You are completely entitled to go to court if you're accused of any offence, but it's worth thinking about. If you do choose to go, the first decision is whether or not to plead guilty (i.e. did you do it?). If you say you're not guilty, the prosecution will have to prove in a trial that you are. I don't know about your case, but generally these things are very procedural and if the police have sent you a NIP they are usually confident that they've got the evidence to back it up. Mistakes happen though, so if you've got good reason to think you're not guilty you can make your case.
If you plead guilty or are convicted after a trial, the magistrates will sentence you based on the guidelines here :
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/
The starting point for 76 in a 60 is a band A fine and 3 points. Band A means 25% to 75% of a week's income. As 76mph is near the top of the range, the bench may well issue a fine nearer 75% than 25%. You would get a third off the fine if you pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity.
On top of that you'd normally have to pay some or all of the prosecution costs (usually £85 if you pleaded guilty, £620 if there's been a trial) and a "victim surcharge" of 10% of the fine with a minimum of £20.
You do have the opportunity to argue mitigation, i.e. "I did it but there's a good reason not to punish me too harshly". Magistrates have the discretion to award a lower punishment if there is a good reason, and the guideline I linked to gives a list of mitigating factors that a bench might take into account. Beware of bullshit though - most magistrates have heard it many times before!
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SteveSmith wrote: | Disclaimer - I'm a magistrate so know a bit about the processes here, but I can't give advice on these things. This is general information only!
You are completely entitled to go to court if you're accused of any offence, but it's worth thinking about. If you do choose to go, the first decision is whether or not to plead guilty (i.e. did you do it?). If you say you're not guilty, the prosecution will have to prove in a trial that you are. I don't know about your case, but generally these things are very procedural and if the police have sent you a NIP they are usually confident that they've got the evidence to back it up. Mistakes happen though, so if you've got good reason to think you're not guilty you can make your case.
If you plead guilty or are convicted after a trial, the magistrates will sentence you based on the guidelines here :
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/
The starting point for 76 in a 60 is a band A fine and 3 points. Band A means 25% to 75% of a week's income. As 76mph is near the top of the range, the bench may well issue a fine nearer 75% than 25%. You would get a third off the fine if you pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity.
On top of that you'd normally have to pay some or all of the prosecution costs (usually £85 if you pleaded guilty, £620 if there's been a trial) and a "victim surcharge" of 10% of the fine with a minimum of £20.
You do have the opportunity to argue mitigation, i.e. "I did it but there's a good reason not to punish me too harshly". Magistrates have the discretion to award a lower punishment if there is a good reason, and the guideline I linked to gives a list of mitigating factors that a bench might take into account. Beware of bullshit though - most magistrates have heard it many times before!
Hope this helps,
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Speed awareness that shitter, its money, but fewer points.
Assuming these ones? https://goo.gl/maps/bo9RKJC4CHD2
They are fucking hidden in summer months and I have to remember to shave some speed off.
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Paddy. wrote: | Speed awareness that shitter, its money, but fewer points.
Assuming these ones? https://goo.gl/maps/bo9RKJC4CHD2
They are fucking hidden in summer months and I have to remember to shave some speed off.
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i think it is...
here is the picture (i have cut out all the vehicles)
https://i.imgur.com/VlcM1me.jpg ____________________ PCX125 (stolen) - CBF600 (current)
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 339 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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