76 in 60 - Insurance update

[NutsyUk]

im interested to know what the threshold is for getting an actual speeding fine?

So 65 in a 60 zone?

The thing is how can one the prosecutor know you are actually doing 65? Or can prove that you wilfully went 65?

We all know that most speedometers are innacurate to a degree... Ive worked out my er6f has a 10% headroom... Some speedometers, mostly mechanical ones can have a understatement, esp in colder weather.

Then theres the traps themselves. They are not perfectly accurate and there accuracy fluctuates with the temperature of the day.

Not only does the temperature affect the electronics directly, making slight shifts in operating frequency, the temperature also changes the refraction index of air, this can throw radar and lidar accuracy off by a few %...

Its realistic to presume that at a medium range, these detectors could estimate your easily doing 65 when youre really doing 58.

Going 10-20 over the limit is obvious, but when the speeding is much more narrow, i would argue that scientifically its hard to prove that speeding did indeed occur... And more harder to prove that wilful speeding did occur.

Now I dont speed... Not intentionally anyway. But there are times Ive noticed that Im cruising at 60. then hit a downward hill not even changing my throttle then peek down at the speedo and realise it says 70... I didnt even feel the speed increase. Now being a good boy i throttled back to be sure. But short blips like that cant be called wilful speeding...

This is where I feel the average speed cameras are a better choice. At least these catch people who are wilfully going faster than they know they should be.... >.>
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[rpsmith79]

The threshold is generally considered to be 10% +2 for "most" static speed camera devices AFAIK

But in theory, you could still be prosecuted for doing 1 or 2 mph over the limit, though i'd suspect if that ever got to court, you could get it overturned based on speedo inaccuracies etc
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[Rogerborg]

[NutsyUk]

Lol thanks Roger...

Well it's not that the speed of light is changing enough to throw readings. More that the distance light needs to travel changes...

Heat shimmers, mirages and the like.... These throw off readings to a degree... More than enough to lower the accuracy...

Also when hardware is tied to its own clock, the clock frequency changes depending on the heat... The window can be as much as 10% in some cases. If that lidar/radar is basing it's calculation in the clock cycle (it is...) this will also throw the result off...
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Kawasaki ER6F 2007 650 Gonna sell as a project bike!
Lexmoto XTR S 125 Sold!

[woo]

if you travel at the speed of dark, speed cameras will never be able to catch you as the speed of dark is faster than the speed of light
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[Polarbear]

Find a similar bike that has insurance. Clone plate and laugh away.

TBH I'm amazed its not a much more widespread problem.
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[Rogerborg]

[NutsyUk]

[rpsmith79]

Hence my post above about the 10% +2 (unofficial) rule/guidlines with regards speeding offences
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[AshWebster]

[NutsyUk]

[Fizzoid]

[Rogerborg]

[bikenut]

Moral of the story, pay more attention dude !!! you cant say you didn't see the speed zone etc. could you.

Its easy for me to say this as I live out in the country, but do from time to time have to go into the "city" or busy race tracks, sorry roads you will have to use.

I stick to the speed limit.
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[Rogerborg]

[Evil Hans]

[NutsyUk]

[chickenstrip]

[NutsyUk]

[Rogerborg]

[colink98]

for anyone interested.

i called my insurance company (MCE)
As my insurance is due in a week.

i explained that i had 2 SP50s pending and they provided me with a quote on the basis of 6 points.

Last years cost was £110.
this years renewal including the 6 points was £144.

i didn't think an increase of £30 was at all bad.

in before
Cool Story bro...
Quoted before post is edited.

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Ride it like you stole it.
ride sensible and not like an idiot and you wont get 6 points in one week.

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[colink98]

So one of the NIPs were processed and i attended a morning course for speed awareness.

to be fair to the 2 chaps running the course, they were nice as pie.
not at all narky or anything.

However i have not heard anything about the other NIP which should have gone straight to 3 points and £100.

are there any time limits involved ?
this happened back in may/
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Ride it like you stole it.
ride sensible and not like an idiot and you wont get 6 points in one week.

[G]

As I understand it; they (police and CPS) have six months to pass the information to the courts.

So, there's both still time for that and I presume for them to request their bribe.

And in some cases it will happen a couple of days before six months (with the courts issuing a summons after).

Hopefully you've been lucky, they got mixed up and someone ticked the 'speed awareness' box for both of them or something.