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F1.ash
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Gloves - hand span and pain at base of thumb on left hand Reply with quote

I'm looking for some advice on glove fit and am wondering if anyone else has experienced this problem...gloves are a good fit in every respect apart from allowing the thumb to achieve full reach without glove pulling tight across the base. I have this discomfort only in the left hand.

I've paid attention to position on bike and weight on wrists but have not managed to alleviate it.

I'm thinking that I need to identify a manufacturer whose gloves are more generous in the thumb joint area without being excessively long in the fingers. Anyone else had to solve this problem?

Current gloves are Alpine Stars GT-S XXL.

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PostPosted: 12:04 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indicator-itus? I had this a while back and it got better, which's strange as most of my pains like to persist Neutral
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they single skin summer leather gloves?

If so, I've had two pairs that were most comfortable after a good drenching in rain and wearing them wet.

I'm guessing the leather gives and molds when wet.

Maybe worth a go soaking them in the sink with your hands in them or something, before buying a completely new set?

I've never done it deliberately but don't see why it shouldn't work!
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the same problem with Astar goretex gloves, try a different brand.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best gloves I've had are Z-Leathers Deer-Tracks..... deer-skin is stronger than easy-rip pig-skin, (Or worse, Indian Sub-continent sourced and stitched goat or sheep) and thinner and more supple than cow-hide.

They fit me like, well... a glove.... but then they were tailor made to measure!!!!

Curiously however, they were not all that expensive; about £80 when top-branded off-the-peg was over £100..... No fancy lable, no fancy armor just good leather and good stitching.. and they are over 20 years old now, too! I believe they still make them, to order, as well, but they are based in the USA.

Probably completely irrelevent to the topic really, BUT....

When you stretch your hand to full spans width, you always pull the palm accross the shortest distance, you will always have, to some degree a bag under the thumb to allow for this, or you'll have the palm go tight.

A-N-D Left-Hand.. as has been muted, indy-switch, and clutch lever....

Is it a hydraulic clutch or cable? Does the lever have a Span adjuster? Have you ever properly adjusted the free-play in the clutch, and or set the position of the lever in relation to hand and switches etc....

Is it the OE lever? Has the pivot been greased recently? Has the blade been replaced?

Two notables on that one, is that levers get bashed and broken, and after a new blade is ordered, its put on in direct sub for the one that is bent or broke with little further attension.... Often though whatever bash bent or broke the blade also dings the bracket and hinges can get tight, and pattern replacement or after-market blades, particularly cheaper chinky ones and e-bay specials are not so accurately made or well finished, and often benefit from a tad of fettling with a flat-file and sand-paper to sit in the bracket snugly and pull through full range of travel smoothly...

If a cable lever... new cables work wonders, as does a little time lubing them carefully, and setting free play... BUT paying attension to the lever-blade, and fettling the nipple hole and lubing that oft neglected crud-spot can make a world of difference.

If the glove fits... as you say, then it really shouldn't be the glove that causes the problem, and other things like this are more likely to be to blame, if not entirely, at least significantly.

If hydraulic clutch.... less to mess.. but, a harder action can be indication your plates are getting thin, and or the release bearing is worn.. and again, some time and attention in that area may be worth while.

Why not effect right hand? Well, it can, and same tips may be applied... but most folk are right handed, and you dont tend to use so much travel on a front brake, or have to fiddle with switches whilst you use it.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be the handlebar grips which is causing the problem...

My Suzuki still has the original grips and I'm considering replacing them because of a similar problem.

The grips on my other two bikes are fine, my CBF 500 grips got replaced soon after I bought it, made a lot of difference.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Are they single skin summer leather gloves?

If so, I've had two pairs that were most comfortable after a good drenching in rain and wearing them wet.

I'm guessing the leather gives and molds when wet.

Maybe worth a go soaking them in the sink with your hands in them or something, before buying a completely new set?

I've never done it deliberately but don't see why it shouldn't work!


They're summer gloves with Goretex, not sure how soaking would go with these gloves. When your hands get hot and sweaty they're a pig to get off.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Best gloves I've had are Z-Leathers Deer-Tracks..... deer-skin is stronger than easy-rip pig-skin, (Or worse, Indian Sub-continent sourced and stitched goat or sheep) and thinner and more supple than cow-hide.

They fit me like, well... a glove.... but then they were tailor made to measure!!!!

Curiously however, they were not all that expensive; about £80 when top-branded off-the-peg was over £100..... No fancy lable, no fancy armor just good leather and good stitching.. and they are over 20 years old now, too! I believe they still make them, to order, as well, but they are based in the USA.

Probably completely irrelevent to the topic really, BUT....

When you stretch your hand to full spans width, you always pull the palm accross the shortest distance, you will always have, to some degree a bag under the thumb to allow for this, or you'll have the palm go tight.

A-N-D Left-Hand.. as has been muted, indy-switch, and clutch lever....

Is it a hydraulic clutch or cable? Does the lever have a Span adjuster? Have you ever properly adjusted the free-play in the clutch, and or set the position of the lever in relation to hand and switches etc....

Is it the OE lever? Has the pivot been greased recently? Has the blade been replaced?

Two notables on that one, is that levers get bashed and broken, and after a new blade is ordered, its put on in direct sub for the one that is bent or broke with little further attension.... Often though whatever bash bent or broke the blade also dings the bracket and hinges can get tight, and pattern replacement or after-market blades, particularly cheaper chinky ones and e-bay specials are not so accurately made or well finished, and often benefit from a tad of fettling with a flat-file and sand-paper to sit in the bracket snugly and pull through full range of travel smoothly...

If a cable lever... new cables work wonders, as does a little time lubing them carefully, and setting free play... BUT paying attension to the lever-blade, and fettling the nipple hole and lubing that oft neglected crud-spot can make a world of difference.

If the glove fits... as you say, then it really shouldn't be the glove that causes the problem, and other things like this are more likely to be to blame, if not entirely, at least significantly.

If hydraulic clutch.... less to mess.. but, a harder action can be indication your plates are getting thin, and or the release bearing is worn.. and again, some time and attention in that area may be worth while.

Why not effect right hand? Well, it can, and same tips may be applied... but most folk are right handed, and you dont tend to use so much travel on a front brake, or have to fiddle with switches whilst you use it.


Made to measure gloves, nice. Like the idea of that.

It's a cable clutch, OE lever and I've reviewed free play and adjustment. For a time changing the span seemed like it was going to work but the problem eventually resumed. It's a fairly light lever although the grip is of a reasonable diameter but not excessive.

The bike only has 800 miles or so on it so I'm going to assume everything is in good order.

Sportsbike shop have a good returns policy, maybe I'll order 1/2 dozen pairs or so and have a look at alternative brands.

Thanks for taking the time to write such a comprehensive reply Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:
could be the handlebar grips which is causing the problem...

My Suzuki still has the original grips and I'm considering replacing them because of a similar problem.

The grips on my other two bikes are fine, my CBF 500 grips got replaced soon after I bought it, made a lot of difference.


I sat on a BMW R1200R (2014 bike) the other day and noticed how skinny the grips/bars were so maybe you have a point there.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get your hand in, then soaking and wearing wet on the bike till mostly dry will stretch them enough to fit, I have a problem with A* gloves too, the opening seems too narrow to get my hand in, try a different brand.

As for having sweaty hands in Goretex gloves! Never had too much sweat when wearing Goretex, that’s the idea, allows moisture to escape.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 28 May 2018    Post subject: Gloves. Reply with quote

Wearing a watch on left hand, doing gloves up tight causes restriction. Cuts circulation to thumb too..
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 29 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Gloves. Reply with quote

Kentol750 wrote:
Wearing a watch [on a bike]

Confused Similarly I don't understand why some racing drivers wear them.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 29 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Gloves. Reply with quote

Kentol750 wrote:
Wearing a watch on left hand, doing gloves up tight causes restriction. Cuts circulation to thumb too..


I stopped wearing a watch on the left wrist because it restricted the movement when the cuff was tightened and because I had seen a photograph of someones blood and guts after they were knocked off and the wristwatch ripped up the left arm.

If I was in a similar position to the OP I would replace the lever with an aftermarket dogleg one.I replaced the standard lever and bracket on my R1 for a number of reasons,but mainly because the motocross lever and bracket gave me an easier pull.
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 29 May 2018    Post subject: Re: Gloves. Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Kentol750 wrote:
Wearing a watch [on a bike]

Confused Similarly I don't understand why some racing drivers wear them.


They usually take them off while driving, then due to sponsorship, make sure they have them on during interviews etc.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 29 May 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wearing wet will make no difference, goretex doesn't stretch when wet.
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