DAS or doing mod1 and mod2 separately....?

[The_west]

Afternoon all just wondering what the pros and cons of doing it either way are. My theory is on Tuesday and will be looking to book test straight after.

Thanks
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[stephen_o]

What bike would you be using? I did mod 1 and 2 on my CG125 back in the day.
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[The_west]

Depends whether I do das or book mod1 and mod 2 through the guy I've been training with so far. If I book separately l be using one of my instructors er6-n if I do das it'll be on whatever bikes they have , I haven't looked into das much yet
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[andyscooter]

you still do them separately


das is just the name of the course the instructors use

direct access scheme meaning go from no licence to full rather then a2 to full

mod one and two are the tests

mod one being the playground bit and two the real road
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[The_west]

Hey, thanks for reply. Yes I'm aware of still do them separately, however it would appear in getting a bit confused lol.

I can book mod1 and mod 1 through my instructor, but das is a (usually) 3/4 day course which is a bit more expensive but quicker than booking mod1 through my instructor, then booking mod2 and waiting another month or however long it takes...?
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[stephen_o]

I booked my tests direct with the dvla and did them on my CG125 but then suffered the 33kw restriction for 2 years. I could be wrong in saying this but I think if you book DAS then the instructors have slots with the test centres ready so you may get through quicker. I think it will depend on which test centres you use, In Stoke I had to do the theory at the assylum and immigration centre in Hanley but Mod 1 was at Chester and Mod 2 was done at my local Newcastle-under-Lyme test centre but that centre could not do Mod 1.

I see from your other posts that you have the bike ready so maybe direct access because you really need to practise with the weight and manoeuvring of the full size bike.
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[Dabuke]

I was always under the impression that the Module one and two are the same for people going through to a full license (over 24s) and those who will end up with an A2.

So doing Module one/two through a school your best bet is to use the biggest bike possible and just get the FL as soon as possible?

Iv been looking into this quite a bit but I dont want to rock the boat with any bad advice.

Is there a time frame you have to do the Module two in once you have done one and what is your reason for doing DA over separating them?
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[Teflon-Mike]

Little confudled by the question to-be-honest...

DAS is the "Direct-Access-Scheme"... it is, no more and no less than the 'Rules' for taking tests, Mod 1 and Mod 2, on a bike larger than 125cc, that say you can.. and even have to, if you want a licence for anything bigger than a 125.

DAS Courses... are psalmist ANYTHING that a school wants to make them.. a course of training for you to be 'ready' to take tests under DAS.

They may include the tests in the course fees... tyhey do get 'block-bookings' of test apointments if they want... and its easy for the school to include the tests, they book, on your behalf, in the 'course' and make the bike you have been riding on the course available for you to do tests on... but check the small prinmt of what's in the course.. they dont HAVE to include the tests in the course, or loan you bike for them.

Self booking....... any-one can do this.... and the test fees are only something like £30 for the Theory, £15 for the Mod 1 and £75 for the Mod 1..... as said school dont have to include the tests in whatever course they offer... they can take you out and train you up, then say, "Yeahg, go book your tests... you are ready.. let us know how you get on" And NOT even help you by making a bike available for you to use on test.....

Usually more awkward to do tests self-booked, without a school involved... possible... buty awkward... you need a bike to do tests on for starters, and one that meets requirements for A2 or unrestricted 'A' catagory tests as published by DSA...... where many insurers wont give you a policy on one unless you have a licence first, and even if you get round that one, you cannot ride it on the road ahead of tests unless accompanied by card carrying qualified and approved instructor.... or on test, examiner....

Hence, usually a convenience to use a school, and school bike to get tests done... B-U-T... how you and the school arrange that between you, and who actually phones the DSA or uses DSA webby to make test apointments, is up to you to sort out..

Which is what we come down to... disembling the question; you have taken training with an instructopr, and have been using the instructors ER6.... which sounds AWFULLY like, you have done a DAS course..... just not one that includes tests or hire-bike for tests, or mother-ducks you to tests on that school bike......

And what you seem to be asking is having done a DAS training course to get up to test standard.... you self book tests and arrange bike borrow/hire and transport to and from test on it with teh chapo you have already done DAS course with...... OR go to a school that advertise all in one DAS courses, that include tests and test booking in the one-stop package?!?!?

Go back to chap you trained with!!!!!

He should know what the score is, and whether its more useful for him to call DSA and make apointments or you.... and whether you can use his bike......

But, tests are done by DSA, courses given by independent schools.... and DAS is just the rules for test, NOT a course...

Get it straight in your head and eliminate the confusion, 'cos if you is confused on this... what else you need know straight for a licence have you got muddled?
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[Dabuke]

Theres a lot here Tef which I haven't read yet but wanted to chip in on the insurance part.

[Dabuke]

[The_west]

Chaps, thank you for all replies so far. I think I've worked out the problem/what I was getting confused. I thought the das was essentially like the intensive driving course, you know walk away with license in a few days, as opposed to booking mod 1 with instructor, taking another lesson then booking mod 2 with the weeks and weeks waits in between.

I'm not too fussed about doing it on my own bike I just want my license asap lol.

My instructor fees including hire of bike and training before each module is about £300 for mod1 and about £200 for mod2. Money isn't really an issue like I say I just want my license nowwwwwww lol
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[stephen_o]

I would go with the DAS option especially as "money isn't an option" and you want it now. Going with a school is certainly not a guarantee of a pass but consistant training on the same bike will give you confidence on the day which is worth more than trying to save a few quid and having the hassle of insurance, gear, getting the big bike to the centre and if you don't pass mod 2 getting it away again.

I would still practice on the CG and where possible on the big bike on private land doing the u turn and emergancy stops and figure of 8 as practice on these gives confidence which will aid the transition to the test bike.
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[stephen_o]

Doing things now which will become second nature by the time of any test will be lifesavers both ways (don't underestimate the importance of these on the test), road position and correct speed for the limit and road conditions and obs at junctions. Do them now - every single time you will feel like a nagging parrot is in your head but come the training and test you don't want to waste your well earned cash on "do half an hour round this council estate doing obs"
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[Dabuke]

[Teflon-Mike]

[The_west]

Tbf I thoroughly deserved that teffing, I do agree eagerness can get you hurt. I'm sure you can understand, I have this beautiful machine that I just want to be free on lol. Yet I'm stuck on a 13 year old slightly crusty (that i do believe may be dying slightly- see thread in workshop if you can be arsed) cg125.

Which, by the way has been great. I think it's helped, the instructor I did cbt and lesson on big bike with said he wouldn't recommend getting a 125 and riding around on it as I'll only pick up bad habits. Which again, I do see his point, but I'm 30 now, not a crazy youth, I really have been practicing (tef- L is for learninggggggggg!) Making life savers second nature, road position, I've even been practicing the mod1 maneuvers. I actually think it's made me a better car driver too, I find myself doing blind spot checks I wouldn't have before lol. (Not when changing lanes on motorway and killing a biker I always did then- more like checking over shoulder not just glancing in mirror when making turns in town etc)

Ok guys, thanks for help tbh it seems I was just talking shit (happens frequently- you'll get used to it) I'll stick with instructor. He's pretty good tbf, good pass rate a few people I know have passed first time with him. He reckons I'm good to go for mod 1, wants me to do one more lesson before we book 2 and then hopefully..
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[Teflon-Mike]

Yeah.. your thirty... if you were in such a rush to get on a big bike... why's it taken you till now?

You could have done it thirteen years back on a 125, and only had to do it once to get a licence, without DAS and sit out 2 years of 33bhp restrict, pre 3DL rules, and have been on this super-dream machine you cant wait to get on a decade ago.....

But... NOW after ten years when you could have, might have, but didn't... you can't wait one minute longer

Put it in perspective... what's a few more weeks after all this time, eh?
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[stephen_o]

Tbh I found Mod 1 and Mod 2 to be easier than doing the CBT. Providing you do the lifesavers and keep the speed "as expected", the bike under control and do the manouvres on the mod 1 then you should breeze the test. On my old CG the CBT was an all dayer with a 2 hour ride out including a long stretch at 70mph which the bike couldn't manage and I had to stop for petrol lol whereas the test was 30-40 mph roads and steady riding.

I also found that my car driving improved as well because I now do shoulder checks both ways when doing manouvres which I never used to do.
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[SDFarsight]

[stephen_o]

Like Tef said, the real learning happens outside the tests/lessons [/quote]

Some people mock Tef but he is spot on most of the time and in this he is bang on. There simply is no substitute for learning after the tests and it's the real world riding when your just going along doing your think at a safe speed and thanks to anticipation and obs you spot the taxi driver is not paying attention and will put you in danger or the housewife thinking about what what colour her nails will be as she pulls out from the side road not looking because "nothing ever happens here".

My own personal preference is to ride bang in the middle of the lane - in this area that tends to give me the best grip but I will move out to the right if the lane is wide enough.
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[M.C]

[SDFarsight]

[The_west]

[Rogerborg]

[Teflon-Mike]

Yellow dot looks to be a bit east and south of my red one... maybe Northampton? But Stockholm sounds good.... although..... does remind me of the '99 TT and being on the same camp-site as the Nordic V-Max association.... The VF had super-trapp stove pipes on it that caused much interest at the butty-bar, and lots of norse muttering of "eetz'u'Vee!" Followed by the arrival of a transit van full of unpronounceable lager, I was forced... FORCED I tell you!! to help them drink at the club fire pit... Vikings... what can I day... hospitable... I suppose... then the Schnapps came out.... and I THINK I blacked out, not long after that....
Don't know why they insisted on sticking plastic cow-horns on thier hats though..... The ones that stayed home were't vikings! And they didn't have horns on their hats anyway! But still... good apple brandy!!!
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