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Posted: 14:30 - 01 Jun 2018 Post subject: DAS or doing mod1 and mod2 separately....? |
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Afternoon all just wondering what the pros and cons of doing it either way are. My theory is on Tuesday and will be looking to book test straight after.
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Posted: 15:32 - 01 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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Little confudled by the question to-be-honest...
DAS is the "Direct-Access-Scheme"... it is, no more and no less than the 'Rules' for taking tests, Mod 1 and Mod 2, on a bike larger than 125cc, that say you can.. and even have to, if you want a licence for anything bigger than a 125.
DAS Courses... are psalmist ANYTHING that a school wants to make them.. a course of training for you to be 'ready' to take tests under DAS.
They may include the tests in the course fees... tyhey do get 'block-bookings' of test apointments if they want... and its easy for the school to include the tests, they book, on your behalf, in the 'course' and make the bike you have been riding on the course available for you to do tests on... but check the small prinmt of what's in the course.. they dont HAVE to include the tests in the course, or loan you bike for them.
Self booking....... any-one can do this.... and the test fees are only something like £30 for the Theory, £15 for the Mod 1 and £75 for the Mod 1..... as said school dont have to include the tests in whatever course they offer... they can take you out and train you up, then say, "Yeahg, go book your tests... you are ready.. let us know how you get on" And NOT even help you by making a bike available for you to use on test.....
Usually more awkward to do tests self-booked, without a school involved... possible... buty awkward... you need a bike to do tests on for starters, and one that meets requirements for A2 or unrestricted 'A' catagory tests as published by DSA...... where many insurers wont give you a policy on one unless you have a licence first, and even if you get round that one, you cannot ride it on the road ahead of tests unless accompanied by card carrying qualified and approved instructor.... or on test, examiner....
Hence, usually a convenience to use a school, and school bike to get tests done... B-U-T... how you and the school arrange that between you, and who actually phones the DSA or uses DSA webby to make test apointments, is up to you to sort out..
Which is what we come down to... disembling the question; you have taken training with an instructopr, and have been using the instructors ER6.... which sounds AWFULLY like, you have done a DAS course..... just not one that includes tests or hire-bike for tests, or mother-ducks you to tests on that school bike......
And what you seem to be asking is having done a DAS training course to get up to test standard.... you self book tests and arrange bike borrow/hire and transport to and from test on it with teh chapo you have already done DAS course with...... OR go to a school that advertise all in one DAS courses, that include tests and test booking in the one-stop package?!?!?
Go back to chap you trained with!!!!!
He should know what the score is, and whether its more useful for him to call DSA and make apointments or you.... and whether you can use his bike......
But, tests are done by DSA, courses given by independent schools.... and DAS is just the rules for test, NOT a course...
Get it straight in your head and eliminate the confusion, 'cos if you is confused on this... what else you need know straight for a licence have you got muddled? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Posted: 17:25 - 01 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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The_west wrote: | Money isn't really an issue like I say I just want my license nowwwwwww lol |
Err, yeah..... like I said, DAS is the rules for taking lic ences for larger capacity bikes, you cant ride unsupervised on your own... its NOT a course, and there's no need for that to be an 'intensive' course over a week or so, that we used to call "Crash-Courses" cos they got you a licence, pandering to your inmpatience.... so you could.. go crash in a hurry, 'cos that, the licence, the obscession of objective, was pretty much all any-one who had such an attitude would take from the lessons...
Little pause for thought; Lessons is for LEARNING, tests is for licences... do you want one or tother or both?
And hint... rushin' be quick way to hurt on two wheels....
Its said time over, but the 'real' learning dont start until you have passed tests, and if you have gone straight to a full licence via DAS with little more saddle hours than the twenty or so you might get on a week-long crash-course, you REALLY have a LOT to learn..
Even what you might have been taught on a crash course, in what is essentially an artificial envoroment of "Bike World" and awful lot of what you might have been told wont have gone in, more still wont make sense, and even more will be forgotten the moment you are out, on your own, without the voice of a guiding angel... ok bearded old duffer on another motorbike, wispering in your ear over a radio head-set.....
Seriousely; I have on lessons, many years ago actually had a middle aged chap, fired with enthusiasm, absoluitely chomping at the bit to get it DONE, and get out on the road, in 'Bike-World' on the play-ground, doing everything he was told, chivvying to get out on the road... and then, FIRST T-JUNCTION out the school gates... no longer in 'bike-world' but the familkiar comfy enviroment he was used to in his company car... get to the give way... and I actually watrched him look round and look stunned, unable to understand why the bike was toppling when he came to a halt, forgetting to stick his foot down.... 'cos on the real road, with such familiar sights as parked cars, lamp-posts and traffic signs.... instinmct took over and he did what he did 'usually'..... in the car.... and DIDN'T put his fooot down.... what was the most humerouse was he was actually reaching for an invisible hand-brake lever when he was looking over his shoulder wondering why he was toppling!
That's a humorous example, of the surreality of courses, and they only get more surreal with how intensive they are.
B-U-T it is incredibly common, and more so among long standing car drivers, who have engrained car driver habbits, and have never instilled the 'extra' required to deal with a vehicle that topples and tilts, for this sort of thing; actually better and can be something you laugh off on lesson, not so wonderful when car-driver instincts kick in on a test, and then the 'fail' ins instructors fault... but post test, licence in pocket, that radio back on the shelf.... either new rider is full of themselves thinking thats it, and with barely the savvy of an 8hour CBT newby goes out onto the roads on something with umpety more horse-power, and the kind of acceleration you dont get unless you drive a super-car... and accelerates into the back of a truck whilst doing a shoulder check or something of that sort... or they start to jibber and wonder why the chap with a clip-board gave them a licence, cos they dont know a thing, and can remember even less, bereft of the ear-piece wisdom, lkeft top their own devices.
And THAT is where the danger in crash-courses lies.... it can get you a licence, and can get you one in a hurry... B-U-T twenty hours of trundling around with a guiding voice in your hat, does little to teach you all you need know, or prepare you for the roads alone...... and the licence IS just the start, not the end.
DON'T RUSH... rushing be fast way to hurt on a motorbike..... take your time and enjoy the journey, there's no prizes for being first in the morgue! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Posted: 21:48 - 01 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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Tbf I thoroughly deserved that teffing, I do agree eagerness can get you hurt. I'm sure you can understand, I have this beautiful machine that I just want to be free on lol. Yet I'm stuck on a 13 year old slightly crusty (that i do believe may be dying slightly- see thread in workshop if you can be arsed) cg125.
Which, by the way has been great. I think it's helped, the instructor I did cbt and lesson on big bike with said he wouldn't recommend getting a 125 and riding around on it as I'll only pick up bad habits. Which again, I do see his point, but I'm 30 now, not a crazy youth, I really have been practicing (tef- L is for learninggggggggg!) Making life savers second nature, road position, I've even been practicing the mod1 maneuvers. I actually think it's made me a better car driver too, I find myself doing blind spot checks I wouldn't have before lol. (Not when changing lanes on motorway and killing a biker I always did then- more like checking over shoulder not just glancing in mirror when making turns in town etc)
Ok guys, thanks for help tbh it seems I was just talking shit (happens frequently- you'll get used to it) I'll stick with instructor. He's pretty good tbf, good pass rate a few people I know have passed first time with him. He reckons I'm good to go for mod 1, wants me to do one more lesson before we book 2 and then hopefully.. ____________________ Grip it and rip it |
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Posted: 22:12 - 01 Jun 2018 Post subject: |
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Yeah.. your thirty... if you were in such a rush to get on a big bike... why's it taken you till now?
You could have done it thirteen years back on a 125, and only had to do it once to get a licence, without DAS and sit out 2 years of 33bhp restrict, pre 3DL rules, and have been on this super-dream machine you cant wait to get on a decade ago.....
But... NOW after ten years when you could have, might have, but didn't... you can't wait one minute longer
Put it in perspective... what's a few more weeks after all this time, eh? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | Yeah.. your thirty... if you were in such a rush to get on a big bike... why's it taken you till now?
You could have done it thirteen years back on a 125, and only had to do it once to get a licence, without DAS and sit out 2 years of 33bhp restrict, pre 3DL rules, and have been on this super-dream machine you cant wait to get on a decade ago.....
But... NOW after ten years when you could have, might have, but didn't... you can't wait one minute longer
Put it in perspective... what's a few more weeks after all this time, eh? |
Well tbf as I've said previously, I've never really considered riding on the road, I've always had dirt bikes and my car license. It wasn't until I thought I'm going to do cbt and get a 125 for the cheap traffic busting commute that I realised man this is fun lol. And now wish I'd done it years ago. My eagerness i believe is due largely to the fact I've already bought the bike lol, have to look at it longingly in the morning as I unchain my cg from it. Also I have 3 friends with pre '95 drs, which is a coincidence seeing as the model never really did well here, to the point they stopped selling it.
You're right, a few weeks isn't going to hurt. Gives me more time to pick up bits of gear and whatever. I'd love to go for a ride with you sometime, tef ____________________ Grip it and rip it |
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Yellow dot looks to be a bit east and south of my red one... maybe Northampton? But Stockholm sounds good.... although..... does remind me of the '99 TT and being on the same camp-site as the Nordic V-Max association.... The VF had super-trapp stove pipes on it that caused much interest at the butty-bar, and lots of norse muttering of "eetz'u'Vee!" Followed by the arrival of a transit van full of unpronounceable lager, I was forced... FORCED I tell you!! to help them drink at the club fire pit... Vikings... what can I day... hospitable... I suppose... then the Schnapps came out.... and I THINK I blacked out, not long after that....
Don't know why they insisted on sticking plastic cow-horns on thier hats though..... The ones that stayed home were't vikings! And they didn't have horns on their hats anyway! But still... good apple brandy!!! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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