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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 10 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Jock wrote:
Looks to me like the ban or restriction on delivery is only to those under 18 so again, I see no problem

It's already illegal to sell to under 18s, face to face or by post.

The new plan is to criminalise sending any knife to any residential address, regardless of whether the seller believes that the recipient is 18 or not. Unlike with the threatened Great Porn Filter legislation, there won't be any way to prove your age online for reasons. Good reasons. Strong and stable reasons.

It's OK though, you can click and have it delivered to the online retailer's local bricks and mortar store where you can provide photo ID when you collect it, because that's still a real thing in $CURRENT_YEAR.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 10 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
This was the case when airguns were licensed and many people were deprived of the value of their property.



Is this true? When did it happen?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 10 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=This+was+the+case+when+airguns+were+licensed+and+many+people+were+deprived+of+the+value+of+their+property.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 11 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40449498

21,000 guns stolen by the State and ended up in coppers' lofts destroyed.
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PostPosted: 03:39 - 12 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40449498

21,000 guns stolen by the State and ended up back on the streets to be used again destroyed.


FTFY
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PostPosted: 06:05 - 12 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sleep with a shotgun under my bed. I will certainly be killed. Please think of the children!
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 12 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
I sleep with a shotgun under my bed. I will certainly be killed. Please think of the children!

It is a giggle that shotgun certificates are "shall issue", but it's not even possible to get a licence to possess a hollow tube.
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had another post typed but the forum ate it. Mad

The scots airgun consultation responses are here unlike the first consultation on this offensive weapons bill, which had a poor summary, and most likely the second will too.
https://www.gov.scot/Topics/Justice/law/Firearms/governmentaction/airweaponlicensing


There are some organisations sniffing around for airgun or crossbow licensing.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/959322/crossbow-uk-for-sale-high-street-laws

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/crackdown-looms-airguns-home-office-1332184


Also that stabbing in a school which was used as an excuse by presstitutes to attack Amazon selling cutlery was caused by a palm sized penknife. It's hardly an extreme weapon but it's probably easier to blame that than having your school outed as a place where your kids can get their head kicked in.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3480668/Teenager-GUILTY-killing-pupil-Bailey-Gwynne.html
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not long bought some garden shears, because I once saw them used as a murder weapon in a horror film.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:
A quick look through the bill raised the question of compensation for items and the difference in it being given for the English but giving the option of the Scottish to be denied it.
This was the case when airguns were licensed and many people were deprived of the value of their property.



Eh? When the fuck did that happen?
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 16 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Jmoan wrote:
A quick look through the bill raised the question of compensation for items and the difference in it being given for the English but giving the option of the Scottish to be denied it.
This was the case when airguns were licensed and many people were deprived of the value of their property.



Eh? When the fuck did that happen?


Ages ago in Scotland.
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PostPosted: 19:34 - 18 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've edited that post to put in Scotland to avoid any more confusion but I'm sure it will eventually happen in England.

Rogerborg wrote:

Nobody needs a scythe these days.


Apart from those people that start their petrol mowers at early o'clock on a sunday morning!
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 18 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40449498

21,000 guns stolen by the State and ended up in coppers' lofts destroyed.


The best of that is the application process. Why do you want one, where is it going to be used, and for what purpose? You're hardly going to say to shoot cats and stray toddlers are you.

They then ask if you have any criminal convictions. Why? The luls? Surely they'd check anyway and they're the ones that hold and process the data in the first place.

You'd have to be monumentally thick to apply for a licence and not get one; surely.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Government responded wrote:
The Bill prevents knives which cause serious harm from being delivered to residential addresses but does not stop delivery of bladed items and knives to business premises or businesses run from home.

Retailers online and offline are prohibited from selling knives to under 18s. Evidence from online test purchase operations conducted over the last decade, where online shopping has become increasingly common, shows that the majority of sampled online retailers failed to have effective age verification procedures in place. The failure rate for online test purchases of knives has not significantly improved over this period.

The Government has therefore sought to improve these outcomes by conducting a public consultation and introducing legislation that will place more stringent controls on online sellers of knives.

Following concerns expressed in the consultation, certain defences were introduced into the Bill that has been published. The prohibition on the delivery of knives to residential addresses is now limited to those knives that can cause serious injury. If ordered online these knives will need to be collected from a place where age verification can take place, either by the purchaser or their representative.

In respect of other bladed items and knives, the Bill provides a number of defences around the prohibition of delivery to a residential address. For example, deliveries to business premises, including where a business is run from home, would not be affected by the prohibition placed in the Bill on delivery to a residential address. Other items that would be exempt from the prohibition on delivery to a residential address would include encased razor blades; knives with a blade of less than 3 inches; knives that cannot cause serious injury, for example table knives; bladed products designed or manufactured to specifications from the buyer such as bespoke knives. There are also exemptions for bladed products that are used for sporting purposes, such as fencing swords and bladed products that would be used for re-enactment activities.

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tl;dr version - you clearly didn't understand it, prole. Shove off, don't bother your betters.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 26 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

My house and tool boxes are jam packed with cutty, sticky, hitty things
I also got petrol, acteone, thinners, bleach, battery acid and stuff too

Are I bad person?
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 26 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
My house and tool boxes are jam packed with cutty, sticky, hitty things
I also got petrol, acteone, thinners, bleach, battery acid and stuff too

Are I bad person?


Party time.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 26 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
Are I bad person?

YFPOS.
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