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| c_dug wrote: | A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. |
You missed the point entirely. The you made was that western society was the pinnacle of human development and therefore everybody should seek to emulate westerners and be changed possibly by force into them.
This is an incredibly arrogant view and it's incredibly similar to the age of Imperialism. Ah those savages!!! We must civilise them.
Civilisations rise and fall. Tang, Ming, Yuan, Qing were just as arrogant. They thought they were the pinnacle of civilisation. They hoped for 10,000 years (forever) it didn't work out that way. I recognise this, a lot of others don't. We can see the Brexit thread where there is massive exceptionalism going on.
| Quote: | The end goal still needs to be a country that by and large follows the rules, and more importantly is trusted to pay back debts. |
Or not actually take on those debts. As debts can be a way to control other nations. USSR loaned China $300 million in 1951. The Sino-Soviet split happened a few years later. The USSR asked for it back. Many Chinese starved to pay back those loans.
Also seigniorage / money printing (by many parties) is welching on your debt by any other name.
| Quote: | Until that point, corrupt individuals may well thrive, but the country itself will languish behind. It'll take decades of investment and development to modernise many of these countries, and nobody will put their money there until they believe they'll see it back. |
Not true as demonstrated by the PRC. Where did all the investment in the 70s, 80s and 90s come from? It came from other Chinese people overseas. A lot also came from infrastructure banks (Chinese owned) in HK.
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Apologies for derailing this China-China-China thread, but I have to commend South Africans on their ruthless dedication to capitalism.
Compete on price and service? That's loser talk. Just massacre the opposition. Job done.
Related, it looks like Rhodesia is starting to acknowledge that slaughtering white farmers and gifting the land to the Inner Party isn't quite the winning strategy that it at first appeared.
I wonder if South Africa will make the same mistake, as they seem hell bent on doing, or if they'll learn from that?
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| Polarbear wrote: | I hold my hands up to that. Civilisation at it's best. Perhaps we ought to drown a few sinkhoile babies at birth. I'd go for the males though, generally they turn out worse than the females. |
When We were called Sick man of Asia, We were called The Yellow Peril.
When We are billed to be the next Superpower, We are called The threat.
When We were closed our doors, You smuggled Drugs to Open Markets.
When We Embrace Freed Trade, You blame us for Taking away your jobs.
When We were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your "fair share".
When We were putting the broken pieces together again, "Free Tibet" you screamed, "it was an invasion!"
So, We Tried Communism, You hated us for being Communists
When We embrace Capitalism, You hate us for being Capitalist.
When We have a Billion People, you said we were destroying the planet.
When We are tried limited our numbers, you said It was human rights abuse.
When We were Poor, You think we are dogs.
When We Loan you cash, You blame us for your debts.
When We build our industries, You called us Polluters.
When we sell you goods, You blame us for global warming.
When We buy oil, You called that exploitation and Genocide.
When You fight for oil, You called that Liberation.
When We were lost in Chaos and rampage, You wanted Rules of Law for us.
When We uphold law and order against Violence, You called that Violating Human Rights.
When We were silent, You said you want us to have Free Speech.
When We were silent no more, You say we were Brainwashed-Xenophobics.
Why do you hate us so much? We asked.
"No," You Answered, "We don't hate You."
We don't Hate You either,
But Do you understand us?
"Of course We do," You said,
"We have AFP, CNN and BBCs..."
What do you really want from us?
Think Hard first, then Answer...
Because you only get so many chances,
Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for this one world.
We want One World, One Dream, And Peace On Earth.
This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us.
So no matter WHAT we do we are STILL wrong and we are STILL the enemy.
Maybe you're right. The PRC needs to fully embrace western ideology and start mass genocide and enslavement and pretend to be sorry about it.
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 Now that ^ is possibly the funniest thing I have ever read!
And Borg, how dare you leave China out of any political argument! 
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| Itchy wrote: | I'll say it everybody needs to be Sinocised:
Why?
Education is valued, it isn't in the UK.
First time buyer age is 24 in the PRC, not mortgagee own outright.
Social bonds are still in place. None of this old peoples home stuff.
People get to retire at 60.
Crime is extremely low compared to the UK.
China is pumping out patents and increasing numbers of the top 100 universities are in the PRC.
The Friday night drink related violence doesn't exist.
Ethnics are given more rights than the majority.
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Though I generally agree, I must say I've seen one too many examples of:
1. The worst driving and self-awareness I've seen on the planet, by a very long way, in China. Literally the worst I've ever seen. Some of the crashes are honestly beyond belief. People are so self-absorbed that they don't even look an inch to the left or right when moving, be it walking, driving or anything in between. Reversing on a motorway. Three point turns on a motorway. That kind of thing. Honestly stuns me.
2. Friday night violence in the UK may be a thing, but it doesn't really measure up to the cold-blooded public killings, between loved ones and rivals, with meat cleavers, while others watch and walk by casually as if nothing even happened.
And this is just the stuff caught on CCTV which went viral. The amount of insane car crash and public rage murder videos is crazy.
Given the choice of extremes, I'd take the governance of the Chinese and the street-level awareness/thoughtfulness of the average westerner, I think.
That last slightly poetic thing you just wrote is good though. Generally agree. I get the feeling there's way less hatred for the outside world here. More like curiosity and pragmatism (peppered with some innocent naivety), which will clearly go further than hostility and cynicism. |
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Apologies for derailing this China-China-China thread, but I have to commend South Africans on their ruthless dedication to capitalism.
Compete on price and service? That's loser talk. Just massacre the opposition. Job done.
Related, it looks like Rhodesia is starting to acknowledge that slaughtering white farmers and gifting the land to the Inner Party isn't quite the winning strategy that it at first appeared.
I wonder if South Africa will make the same mistake, as they seem hell bent on doing, or if they'll learn from that? |
South Africa probably won't see the mass occupation of white farms like Zim did but the government will not prosecute those who do 're-claim' land. That is what is driving the current movement.
Historically, the blacks were not living in the places the whites occupied. They do not farm on any sort of worthwhile scale. The whites do and the blacks moved in coz of work mastah/bowana.
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When We were called Sick man of Asia, We were called The Yellow Peril.
When We are billed to be the next Superpower, We are called The threat.
When We were closed our doors, You smuggled Drugs to Open Markets.
When We Embrace Freed Trade, You blame us for Taking away your jobs.
When We were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your "fair share".
When We were putting the broken pieces together again, "Free Tibet" you screamed, "it was an invasion!"
So, We Tried Communism, You hated us for being Communists
When We embrace Capitalism, You hate us for being Capitalist.
When We have a Billion People, you said we were destroying the planet.
When We are tried limited our numbers, you said It was human rights abuse.
When We were Poor, You think we are dogs.
When We Loan you cash, You blame us for your debts.
When We build our industries, You called us Polluters.
When we sell you goods, You blame us for global warming.
When We buy oil, You called that exploitation and Genocide.
When You fight for oil, You called that Liberation.
When We were lost in Chaos and rampage, You wanted Rules of Law for us.
When We uphold law and order against Violence, You called that Violating Human Rights.
When We were silent, You said you want us to have Free Speech.
When We were silent no more, You say we were Brainwashed-Xenophobics.
Why do you hate us so much? We asked.
"No," You Answered, "We don't hate You."
We don't Hate You either,
But Do you understand us?
"Of course We do," You said,
"We have AFP, CNN and BBCs..."
What do you really want from us?
Think Hard first, then Answer...
Because you only get so many chances,
Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for this one world.
We want One World, One Dream, And Peace On Earth.
This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us.
So no matter WHAT we do we are STILL wrong and we are STILL the enemy.
Maybe you're right. The PRC needs to fully embrace western ideology and start mass genocide and enslavement and pretend to be sorry about it. |
Should there be a credit for that or is you a poet?
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| mentalboy wrote: | | Itchy wrote: |
When We were called Sick man of Asia, We were called The Yellow Peril.
When We are billed to be the next Superpower, We are called The threat.
When We were closed our doors, You smuggled Drugs to Open Markets.
When We Embrace Freed Trade, You blame us for Taking away your jobs.
When We were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your "fair share".
When We were putting the broken pieces together again, "Free Tibet" you screamed, "it was an invasion!"
So, We Tried Communism, You hated us for being Communists
When We embrace Capitalism, You hate us for being Capitalist.
When We have a Billion People, you said we were destroying the planet.
When We are tried limited our numbers, you said It was human rights abuse.
When We were Poor, You think we are dogs.
When We Loan you cash, You blame us for your debts.
When We build our industries, You called us Polluters.
When we sell you goods, You blame us for global warming.
When We buy oil, You called that exploitation and Genocide.
When You fight for oil, You called that Liberation.
When We were lost in Chaos and rampage, You wanted Rules of Law for us.
When We uphold law and order against Violence, You called that Violating Human Rights.
When We were silent, You said you want us to have Free Speech.
When We were silent no more, You say we were Brainwashed-Xenophobics.
Why do you hate us so much? We asked.
"No," You Answered, "We don't hate You."
We don't Hate You either,
But Do you understand us?
"Of course We do," You said,
"We have AFP, CNN and BBCs..."
What do you really want from us?
Think Hard first, then Answer...
Because you only get so many chances,
Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for this one world.
We want One World, One Dream, And Peace On Earth.
This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us.
So no matter WHAT we do we are STILL wrong and we are STILL the enemy.
Maybe you're right. The PRC needs to fully embrace western ideology and start mass genocide and enslavement and pretend to be sorry about it. |
Should there be a credit for that or is you a poet? |
Nah, it's just a C&P, written by some other Chinachinachina Snowflake who likes to think the entire planet is out to get them, because they're the centre of the universe.
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This whole thread is rasis 
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Probably but I would hope he (kradmelder) took a few with him on his way to white heaven. 
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