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mudcow007
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Tank slapper Reply with quote

This morning I experienced my first tank slapper.

I had just left the house took my hands of the bars for a second an the front wheel shook like Micheal J Fox.

it was still happening all the way to work to.

Could it be a balance weight has flew off or something?
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah good point, will have a look at lunch time.

Weirdly the bike was absolutley fine when i last used it - last week?

ta
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your tyre pressures.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a top box?
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Checked front wheel (with bike on center stand), doesnt seem to be any play in wheel or binding brakes at all

Hold front brake an try to rock the bike an cant feel any clunks etc.

Checked pressure, it was at 47psi!? so dropped that back down to 42psi but problem still there

Paddy - yeah I have a top box on, with a small chain etc in - reckon it could be that?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:


Paddy - yeah I have a top box on, with a small chain etc in - reckon it could be that?


Unlikely, if you normally have it in.
Lift the front end and see if the bars move smoothly side to side - head bearings. Usually the first symptom of wear is the feeling of a notch straight ahead.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What speed, acceleration?

I was getting instability above 110. Forks needed a service - cured it, but can not explain why.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank Slappers dont just happen unless certain conditions present.

https://youtu.be/fvsDIq3WwVA
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 19 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Tank Slappers dont just happen unless certain conditions present.

https://youtu.be/fvsDIq3WwVA


That's a bloody brilliant video. Thanks for posting that. I had weave in the 1970s on an A10. Nearly shat myself. I had no idea what was going on until now.

The explanation starts at about 4 minutes 20 so if people are impatient they can start there.
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

UnknownStuntman wrote:
Check your tyre pressures.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
Checked pressure, it was at 47psi!? so dropped that back down to 42psi but problem still there


Which tyre, and what about the other one?
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

First time it happened I was going maybe 20 - 30mph

Both pressures have been checked an are at 42psi

Messed about with the front end last night an steering feels smooth with no resistance at any point from left - right etc.

brakes arnt dragging

One thing I did notice is that on the front I have a weight on one side of the rim, but not the other. On the rear wheel, weights are the same on both sides?
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
First time it happened I was going maybe 20 - 30mph

Both pressures have been checked an are at 42psi

Messed about with the front end last night an steering feels smooth with no resistance at any point from left - right etc.

brakes arnt dragging

One thing I did notice is that on the front I have a weight on one side of the rim, but not the other. On the rear wheel, weights are the same on both sides?


Does it look like the weight has been on the other side too? If not, it won't matter.
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike shaking its head is usually a problem with the back end somewhere. As has been said, usually a soft tyre.

A real tank slapper goes lock to lock even when you're holding onto it, often severely enough to rip the bars out of your hands. Sounds like you have a bit of a head shake which if it isn't the tyre pressure is probably wheel bearings.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the top box unclip? If so, have as ride without it on, just to eliminate.
When mine's full, the front end is lighter.

As stinkwheel said though, if you're missing a weight from the wheel, there will be a little clean patch where it used to live.

Neither of the wheels are loose, are they? And nothing stuck in the tyre like a stone / nail?
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
First time it happened I was going maybe 20 - 30mph

Both pressures have been checked an are at 42psi

Messed about with the front end last night an steering feels smooth with no resistance at any point from left - right etc.

brakes arnt dragging

One thing I did notice is that on the front I have a weight on one side of the rim, but not the other. On the rear wheel, weights are the same on both sides?


Are you sure both tyres should be at 42psi?

If a wheel balance weight has fallen off, then there's usually a sticky patch left behind or a cleaner area where it once was.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

42psi on the front is madness. I'd run then at 36/42 usually.

Still reckon its the top box being a twunt issue though.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
42psi on the front is madness. I'd run then at 36/42 usually.

Still reckon its the top box being a twunt issue though.


I run 110 front 120 rear.

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Point of order...

It's not a tank slapper unless it rips the bars out of your hands. This is just a mild undulation of the steering.

I should know,. I got thrown 12 feet into the air by one.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 20 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

42 F & R are what the book says...so Thinking

I'm gonna try the bike tomorrow without the box on, an will have a better look at the maybe missing weight(s)

The bike is 03 Blackbird

fanks all
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 21 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

BB loaded I'd do 40/42, but solo non fat me, 36/42
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 21 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do the tyres say on them about pressures?
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PostPosted: 04:47 - 21 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What do the tyres say on them about pressures?


You've taken it too far this time Ste.

I mean, talking tyres?

Whatever next? Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 24 Jul 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fixed - It was the top box

I have been using it since January an never noticed any wobble before?

thank all
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