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Posted: 12:46 - 22 Jul 2018 Post subject: Aprilia RSV1000 / Tuono owners |
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Any RSV1000 or Tuono owners give me the lowdown?
I'm debating a second bike, cbr6 is nice and light, but the power is at top end, over 7000 rpm.
I was considering GSXR1000, blades etc but the low down grunt of the v twin seems to make more sense on the roads. The Aprilia prices are fairly low now, and I like value for money being a tight northern bastard.
A big v twin has been an itch to scratch for ages. I sat on the RSV1000 and it seemed fine, obviously riding is another thing.
Parts prices, availability, ease of maintenance, common probs? Aware of the sprag clutch and sidestand issues.
Is the tuono better day to day?
I'm not 100% certain but the cbr likely will be staying, so the Aprilia will be for weekend use and the odd trip to Wales, but commuting possible?
Filtering? Bars seemed wider.
Any input appreciated. ____________________
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Posted: 12:14 - 23 Jul 2018 Post subject: |
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I've owned both the 2nd gen RSV and Tuono. The Tuono was bought new and I covered 6000 miles without any issues. The RSV was 10 years old when I bought it from a (non-franchised) dealer, and had intermittent electrical starting problems that left me stranded on three occasions. The dealer couldn't get to the bottom of those and I ended up rejecting the vehicle. Shame as it was mint!
That aside, I'd recommend either. The build and materials quality is up there with the best stuff from Japan IMO. The engine is superb. The 65 degree V gives it quite a different character vs a 90 degree twin (e.g. Ducati, Honda Sp1/2). The Aprilia engine is frentic. They're not as quick as a 1000cc IL4 superbike of the same era, but plenty fast enough. My only gripes were the soft non-adjustable shock on the non-Factory Tuono, and the fuelling was a bit jerky and frustrating for smooth (but fast) low gear, tight cornering. That could probably be fixed with a power commander. Aftermarket exhausts can be offensively, deafeningly loud, so I'd steer clear of stubby exhausts!
Overall, brilliant VFM. Buy on condition, and be prepared to tackle some minor electrical issues. Keep the battery well charged.
My pick would be a factory Tuono. The RSV is more of an extreme riding position than most sportsbikes, with a high seat, long tank and low bars. You can get used to it but it's not great over long distances. Whereas the Tuono is an all day ride in comfort, and offers exactly the same performance. ____________________ Current: Ducati Panigale R / Ducati Streetfighter S / Suzuki GSX-R1000 L5
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I have a Falco, bought last May, used through summer and winter.
It had 30000 miles on when bought for buttons, thought I'd give a V a try after years of Firelades. To my critical ear, it seemed even more rattly than the normal rattly so swapped out the motor for a very low mileage RSV. Turned out that the rattles were nothing more involved than the hydraulic cam chain tensioners going weak. (So I now have a nice spare engine!)
First thing I did was go through the electrical system. Yes, shades of Honda, all the connectors had started to scorch the contacts, all removed and hard soldered / shrinkwrapped. I also fitted a charging monitor, shades of Honda, a steady 14.5 volts. I was a little wary of the low battery / knackered sprag clutch syndrome, but it rarely needs a charge, mine starts easily, but there is a caveat.
Build quality is excellent, nothing furred up or seized. Generally high quality all round, brakes, suspension, finish. But, the polycarbonate tanks do suffer from ethanol poisoning, it can cause bubbles in the tank paint, I use super unleaded to avoid this.
Mine is doing a steady 38 MPG by the way, and its not pottered around!
A good quality battery is a necessity to avoid most electrical gremlins. If you are churning the starter to get it going... Check the chip in the ECU. If its not a standard, i.e. one of the reprogrammed ones..... change it back to standard!!! A friend also has Falco, his came with some wierd chip that just refused to let it start, now his starts on the button one replaced.
Performance is, as Rolls Royce would say, adequate, It might be nice having 180 mph, but I'm much more concerned with real world performance. Its a different power delivery to the smooth build up of an IL4, this motor just punches you out of slow speed turns, lopes along at motorway speeds and actually revs like crazy when given the beans. Not smooth, but in no way vibratory, I suppose the best description is that you know exactly what the motor is up too. Only drawback to a slim bike in this hot weather, it can cook you if you have to negotiate slow speed traffic jams. I'm having my exhaust system ceraic coated to cut down on the radiated heat, we'll see how that turns out.
To my surprise, the chain hasn't needed any adjustment in over 8000 miles of fast riding.
These are tall machines, even the more moderate Falco chassis, and do feel top heavy in slow manouvres, especially with a full tank. That dissapears as soon as the wheels are turning. I find it a very neutral handler after the flighty blade, it does need setting up for bends, but stays rock solid even on our raddled road surfaces.
BTW, I attempted the Lands end -Lowestoft beat the sun challenge this June, down to Cornwall, across the country, back home again, nearly 1000 miles in three days, never missed a beat, kept me in one piece, it was the only part of the enterprise that worked perfectly.
I had my initial doubts, but I'm sold on these things now. ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
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i bought Carvels RSVR gen 1 Mille - all the ohlins goodness
ive done 6k on it in the last 3 months.
things ive found / come across:
replace the battery leads - there is a set pf heavy duty cables you can get ready made for about £45
upgrade the starter solenoid
use an optimate or similar.
they arent great around town as standard, but this can be overcome with a quick gearing change and i gather it is much better.
theres a flat spot around 5k - there is a modified collector you can get, and a chip for £50 - loses a bit off the top end, but midrange is much better.
real world MPG is around 35 mpg - max about 130 to a tank if you ride like a saint.
the rear brake master is right next to the exhaust - get used to bleeding it, or relocate it by buying some better rearsets (£260)
thats about it. I love it. after the R6 it feels like someone has strapped a warp drive to my arse ____________________ Past - 1988 honda revere 600, 1996 kawasaki gpz500s, 1999 Yamaha R6
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is there any reason why you want two bikes? More is always better yes, but the RSV is still a sports bike, at least the tuono gives a different riding position.
Had a brief go on a TL1000 as my only experience of a v-twin, but owned a GSXR1000. IL4 litre sports bikes are very different to the IL4 600cc class. Toque and power certainly were not limiting factors in my ability to ride that bike.
I'm not suggesting that a v-twin is not the way to go, but is there any reason why you couldn't double the budget and sell the CBR6 and get a really good one? Think I used my 600 once after getting my 1000. ____________________ Duke 390
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el_oso wrote: | is there any reason why you want two bikes? More is always better yes, but the RSV is still a sports bike, at least the tuono gives a different riding position.
Had a brief go on a TL1000 as my only experience of a v-twin, but owned a GSXR1000. IL4 litre sports bikes are very different to the IL4 600cc class. Toque and power certainly were not limiting factors in my ability to ride that bike.
I'm not suggesting that a v-twin is not the way to go, but is there any reason why you couldn't double the budget and sell the CBR6 and get a really good one? Think I used my 600 once after getting my 1000. |
A change is as good as a rest, they say. I like the idea of the readily accessible performance of a big twin. But I think sooner or later I'll miss the howl of an I4 600, wringing an I4 1000cc equally to the limits is only going to end up with bum rape in prison. Aside from denying myself those cell block H style fantasies, it's still another I4, and I fancy something a bit more leftfield.
As for two bikes; I've spent ages fettling that bike so I'll be damned if anyone else is going to get the benefit of it!
I guess I'm a far too attached to it, build quality is top notch, plus it's a great commuter, and as it's not too great cosmetically and not worth that much, I'm not afraid to chuck it around. I've ridden other bikes, the lightness and easy handling means it's not that far off more modern metal.
Tuono is still on the list, I think I need to ride them both, possibly the VTR too. ____________________
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A bit late to the party here, I haven't been on BCF for a while but I am moved to post a reply, because I love my '03 Tuono so much.
I came off the back of a CBR600, and an R1 before then. The CBR left me feeling a little bit numb, mainly down to power delivery. It was just too linear, top end & predictable. I wanted something completely different, something exciting.
I took a punt on the Tuono back in April, an 03 in excellent nick, 21k miles, @ £2,300. It is now on 29k miles, which has comprised of commuting, weekend leisure riding and a 1200 mile trip around Scotland.
I absolutely love the bike. The engine is the highlight, absolutely bags of torque, with a fantastic exhaust note (I have a remus can on it), as said it will wheely up till 3rd. Brakes are superb, and it is well sprung. The gearbox is a little bit agricultural, just needs a positive input or you can miss a gear. The only comment I could make is that when you are hooning it, it can feel a little bit less frenetic than an IL4 600, as you are not jumping up and down the gearbox all the time. This can either be a good thing or a bad thing - it can make the ride feel a little bit less involved, but on the other hand it allows you to concentrate on your line, application of power etc. It handles really well, turn in is quick, the weight is well distributed.
I was really surprised at how comfortable and easy to get along with the bike is. I had read before buying it that it is a bit of a hooligan, and it can be, but it's also an absolute pussycat. You can happily cruise along on it, the fairing and screen do a great job at deflecting wind blast; up to about 85 on the motorway there is barely a whisper. The seat is by far the comfiest of any sports bike I have owned, and is narrow enough to filter. I did the 1200 mile Scotland trip in 4 days, which shows it is all day comfortable. The suspension is quite hard, so it does crash over bumps a little, but that is to be expected from a sports bike. When I bought it it had clip-ons on it, and the riding position gave me hip cramp after half an hour. It might be worth going for an extended test ride on one to make sure you don't encounter the same. I have since put the bars on it and that has solved the issue.
In terms of reliability and finish, as mentioned you need a strong battery. I have gone through one battery already, but have replaced it with a better one and it has since been more or less OK. A trickle charger is a good investment here. My neutral light is also somewhat temperamental, which I understand is down to a dodgy relay. The finish on the bike is really good. I have had to put a new chain & sprocket set on it, and it also eats tyres fairly quickly. ____________________ CBR600F '02
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sgtcalle wrote: | A bit late to the party here, I haven't been on BCF for a while but I am moved to post a reply, because I love my '03 Tuono so much.
I came off the back of a CBR600, and an R1 before then. The CBR left me feeling a little bit numb, mainly down to power delivery. It was just too linear, top end & predictable. I wanted something completely different, something exciting.
I took a punt on the Tuono back in April, an 03 in excellent nick, 21k miles, @ £2,300. It is now on 29k miles, which has comprised of commuting, weekend leisure riding and a 1200 mile trip around Scotland.
I absolutely love the bike. The engine is the highlight, absolutely bags of torque, with a fantastic exhaust note (I have a remus can on it), as said it will wheely up till 3rd. Brakes are superb, and it is well sprung. The gearbox is a little bit agricultural, just needs a positive input or you can miss a gear. The only comment I could make is that when you are hooning it, it can feel a little bit less frenetic than an IL4 600, as you are not jumping up and down the gearbox all the time. This can either be a good thing or a bad thing - it can make the ride feel a little bit less involved, but on the other hand it allows you to concentrate on your line, application of power etc. It handles really well, turn in is quick, the weight is well distributed.
I was really surprised at how comfortable and easy to get along with the bike is. I had read before buying it that it is a bit of a hooligan, and it can be, but it's also an absolute pussycat. You can happily cruise along on it, the fairing and screen do a great job at deflecting wind blast; up to about 85 on the motorway there is barely a whisper. The seat is by far the comfiest of any sports bike I have owned, and is narrow enough to filter. I did the 1200 mile Scotland trip in 4 days, which shows it is all day comfortable. The suspension is quite hard, so it does crash over bumps a little, but that is to be expected from a sports bike. When I bought it it had clip-ons on it, and the riding position gave me hip cramp after half an hour. It might be worth going for an extended test ride on one to make sure you don't encounter the same. I have since put the bars on it and that has solved the issue.
In terms of reliability and finish, as mentioned you need a strong battery. I have gone through one battery already, but have replaced it with a better one and it has since been more or less OK. A trickle charger is a good investment here. My neutral light is also somewhat temperamental, which I understand is down to a dodgy relay. The finish on the bike is really good. I have had to put a new chain & sprocket set on it, and it also eats tyres fairly quickly. |
Interesting, on paper there's little between them in performance, 1/4 mile times and 0-60, but I gather the RSV doesn't need to be worked as hard for it. I'm hoping that translates to instant throttle response at any rpm or gear and fantastic drive out of corners. Not bothered about top end, cbr is ~160MPH but I've not got near it once.
I'm not decided but I doubt I could sell the cbr, it would be like having a dog put down to me Plus it's cheap to run, reliable and easy to fix. So I'm looking more at Tuono due to not being a race bike. ____________________
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