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Blazerdolf
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Would stairs prevent me using a bike? solved - yes it would Reply with quote

Hello,

Ive got a question.. would a couple stairs would prevent me from being a biker?
Not much where to place it except in a basement which has like 8 stairs.

I measured and it got some narrow space near door.. 85cm / 33inch

I realise this would probably be very unconventional place to put it, but it would be safe there and its not outside..

Not feeling very confident but Im hoping..

Thanks!
SOLVED UPDATE:

I talked with neighboars and none are interested in sharing garage.
Leaving outside in parking lot is not an option - we have winter seasons..

Entrance to basement is sketchy at best, I will keep it in mind but navigating there to my personal space is very narrow 80cm - 120cm widths..

The only option I see in getting a personal garage 5min walking from my home. 7grand is steep, and I still need money for gear and bike itself.. I might if I can fit for 11grand in total, and see how it all goes for me for a year or so.

I am willing to commit.. but something is holding me back..

Was dreaming about ninja 400 as first bike or something but now its probably used bike seems best option. And gear - I have no idea about that one yet..

P.S. not sure on what to decide, but if you willing, keep posting Smile


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PostPosted: 10:11 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What could possibly go wrong?
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What could possibly go wrong?


1. Hm do I need to spell it out? Its narrow.. maybe its too narrow.. I dont know, havent owned a bike, I mean its a motorcycle not a cycle..

2.Also its STAIRS... Its not like you can drive them. Its around 90cm wide stairs. You probably cant push the bike because they are that heavy.
The stairs are not that steep. 15cm height and ~30cm width..

And like I wrote it has ~80cm narrowest walkway in some area..
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it would not.

The problem is the general hassle of moving it every single day. When some of us lived in terraced houses getting a 125cc motorbike up 3 steps was hard enough.


You could of course make it easier by putting something in place to make moving it in and out easier everyday.

First thing that comes to mind would be to make the stairs into a ramp. Then stick the bike on a dolly so you don't need to balance it.

Then at the top put some sort of winch or even better a motorised winch.




If you can't do any of that go get an electric bicycle and mod it a bit so you can carry it in and out daily.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
No it would not.

The problem is the general hassle of moving it every single day. When some of us lived in terraced houses getting a 125cc motorbike up 3 steps was hard enough.


You could of course make it easier by putting something in place to make moving it in and out easier everyday.

First thing that comes to mind would be to make the stairs into a ramp. Then stick the bike on a dolly so you don't need to balance it.

Then at the top put some sort of winch or even better a motorised winch.




If you can't do any of that go get an electric bicycle and mod it a bit so you can carry it in and out daily.


So a 300cc or 400cc bike is out of the question?

Do you think its possible to achieve something like that with a reasonable price?

I will see what can I get with a ramp of some sort..Thanks for suggestion. I guess this is a tough situation..

damn I wish I had a bike.. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

No chance. I have to get my bike over a single step to get it out to the road and that's bad enough through a
double door with a purpose made bike ramp and a very trim bike weighing just 188kg. 8 stairs?? You're gonna just drop it
first try. Don't be another internet meme dumbass!
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So much stupids. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those gifs are appropriate, the problem is you can't ride it up even if you might risk going down, and there won't be space to stand alongside. Getting in and out as a one off for major maintenance might be feasible with at least two people.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
No chance. I have to get my bike over a single step to get it out to the road and that's bad enough through a
double door with a purpose made bike ramp and a very trim bike weighing just 188kg. 8 stairs?? You're gonna just drop it
first try. Don't be another internet meme dumbass!
https://media.giphy.com/media/tc7y1VsCSi5m8/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/7s4UM6RBqbELm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/EnqjXeZqCLmnK/giphy.gif

So much stupids. Laughing


Well, You get your point, to be honest Ive never pushed 200kg. I wasnt thinking of riding a ramp, but pushing would probably be way way to heavy..

What about garage that could share space with a car. Just how much space does a bike need to share space and be decently comfortable to put and take out for a ride.

And same question but how much space bike needs for a car user so he wouldnt knock my bike off?

^ I might look for neighboars to see if they could share/rent their garage for me. (no I dont live in a private mansion/house Razz)

Thanks!
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't rent/share a garage you could look at garden space for a ground anchor then cover the bike over. Is it a house or flats? Do you own or rent? Is there a back garden area that you could use?
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you need is a slide down the stairs, then a winch, a trolley, some ratchet straps, and some bravery.

Strap bike to trolley, winch slowly down slide. Reverse to go back up.

Simples.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless it's a very valuable car, i.e something that you really dont want to see rain or get stolen, why the hell is a car taking up a perfectly useable garage?

Kick that 4 wheeler outside where it belongs and have that garage to yourself Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Re: Would stairs prevent me using a bike? sharing garage opt Reply with quote

Blazerdolf wrote:
(cellar or garage)


Forget going up and down the stairs. Enterprising, but not feasible without a lift. I'm sure you could modify a stairlift, but it would not takemore than about 150kg, give or take. A domestic vertical lift would cost a fortune to get in.

The car, if used regularly, is probably being damaged by being kept in the garage, and if it gets wet the moisture will also damage other things as it slowly dries off in there. So, see if that's enough persuasion to have it removed.

Sharing a garage might give rise to problems; if the car or motorbike have to be moved to get the other in/out....

If you've got outside space on your own ground, consider a locking point and a plywood "bikeport" or even lockable box to put your bike in.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: re Reply with quote

No it would not work, getting a 600cc up a slight curb manually can be a bit of a struggle in itself and im 6ft1 21st.

why does the car need to be garaged? unless it is a rare classic worth mucho monies. if you really need to then on occassion when i used to have a 125 I would put it sideways at the back of the garage and our car could fit infront just about (and that was the missus KA)
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:
Unless it's a very valuable car, i.e something that you really dont want to see rain or get stolen, why the hell is a car taking up a perfectly useable garage?

Kick that 4 wheeler outside where it belongs and have that garage to yourself Thumbs Up


I have to agree. My car doubles as the garage door lock as in parked against it (from the outside). Cars are designed to get wet.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Re: Would a couple of stairs prevent me using a bike? Reply with quote

Possible; yes.
With the right bike and the right skills - yes, you can ride straight up and down the stairs.

Better; if you have a bit of space after the stairs (on the 'down' side); could install a fairly gentle ramp.

I've often ridden up narrower ramps into vans (while sitting on the bike). Only time I've had issues was when brake lever has hit a box or similar (And then, only time it was actually an issue was when I managed to shoot the ramp out the back - still got the bike on, just with annoying neighbours at 1am using a v-twin with a full race system.)
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/4HepaMryQdg - stairs are no problem for Dougie Lampkin, why should they be a problem for you.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been regularly getting a 600cc sports bike in and out a van using a ramp (track days) for a few years...

You will need a ramp of sorts, you will need space to walk along side it and with a little practice you could easily walk it up whilst riding the clutch and let the bike 'push itself'.

This is under the assumption you can run the bike in the basement briefly to get it out.

Getting in, along side, ride the brakes lightly to control the descent and you'll be fine.

This is again, under the assumption you have enough space to descend along side the bike. The ramp will also have to be secured as once the front wheel comes off at the top the back wheel will try to pull the ramp down a bit.

Easy once you get the hang of it but best of luck the first few times you try it. Fitting will very much depend on the size of the bike I guess...

Also dropping it on yourself in an enclosed space might tickle a little :-\
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
under the assumption you have enough space to descend along side the bike


"Its around 90cm wide stairs"

No chance...
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
If you can't rent/share a garage you could look at garden space for a ground anchor then cover the bike over. Is it a house or flats? Do you own or rent? Is there a back garden area that you could use?


Its flats.. not possible to get any garden outside area for a mini garage or something..

bacon wrote:

Unless it's a very valuable car, i.e something that you really dont want to see rain or get stolen, why the hell is a car taking up a perfectly useable garage?

Kick that 4 wheeler outside where it belongs and have that garage to yourself Thumbs Up

Its not enough parking space for other neighboars for their cars.. Its not wide wild usa, so no such luxury as wide nice areas to park cars anywhere.. Sad

P.S. the car is not mine, as well as a garages. So maybe I will think of renting/sharing for a symbolic money if only I knew how much space the bike would need to be safe parking for both..


There were some garages nearby for sale but the price was very steep for like 10-15k price.. meanwile whole flat costs around 30-40k to live in.. so the garage is like almost half the flat price... Neutral
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worth checking with your council for garages. £10.50 pw here.
Garages sell for similar prices to you, though houses are a lot more.

Not that amazing a price, but okay if you don't want money tied up.

One of the big issues for riding the bike up a ramp is worry you'll fall off - that should be much less of an issue.

In a similar situation elsewhere, I've wondered about making a 'beaver-tail - tail lift' style arrangement, where the end of the ramp lifts up to create a flat surface, or making a horizontal sled that is pulled up the stairs, with some rails at the side for it to run on.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Worth checking with your council for garages. £10.50 pw here.

making a horizontal sled that is pulled up the stairs, with some rails at the side for it to run on.


£14.20 here. Security?

An Acorn heavy-duty stairlift will handle about 160kg. An ordinary one about 130kg. That's when the rise is equal to the going. I suspect the limit is due to the moment of force of the elevated load. Hinge-down platform and jockey wheel on runner?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
https://youtu.be/4HepaMryQdg - stairs are no problem for Dougie Lampkin, why should they be a problem for you.


I can't do that. Shocked

I can, sort of, do this Laughing (Not my vid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_3PYEk1ok&t=3m31s
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugger, how's the drive? Is there one? Room for a bike to park without obstructing the garage door?

My workhorse lives outside under a cover, I mean it looks awful after just one winter, but needs must Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 28 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on a minute, what's this about a flat, a garage and a "basement"?

I guess your flat is in a converted house, the neighbours' garage is a next-door neighbour (have they a driveway or other space?), but what's this about a basement?

I'm a bit confused about your circumstances. Pictures would be good....
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 29 Aug 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Worth checking with your council for garages. £10.50 pw here.
Garages sell for similar prices to you, though houses are a lot more.

Not that amazing a price, but okay if you don't want money tied up.

One of the big issues for riding the bike up a ramp is worry you'll fall off - that should be much less of an issue.

In a similar situation elsewhere, I've wondered about making a 'beaver-tail - tail lift' style arrangement, where the end of the ramp lifts up to create a flat surface, or making a horizontal sled that is pulled up the stairs, with some rails at the side for it to run on.


Riejufixing wrote:

Hang on a minute, what's this about a flat, a garage and a "basement"?

I guess your flat is in a converted house, the neighbours' garage is a next-door neighbour (have they a driveway or other space?), but what's this about a basement?

I'm a bit confused about your circumstances. Pictures would be good....



While I do have 90cm wide on stairs my doors to the basement is just ~75cm so I only later checked out bike specs and it would be way too narrow to consider.. Bummer..

There is one garage for sale ~7k pricetag which is 5min walking from my home.. It seems all this bike owning would be quite an expensive thing.. 7k garage+gear+bike itself.. Very Happy Its not bad but Im not convinced about this. It feels quite ambitious..
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